Originally posted by ShadowFyre
And that's what I was getting at
In my last post I wrote
Now don’t get me wrong. Personality plays a role. Surfer will most likely blast and maneuver around for awhile. After seeing that this tactic isn't working too well then Surfer will change tactics and try something else. Maybe attempt to manipulate the PF out of Namor or something else.The main point is that it would be highly improbable for Namor to land a blow IF SURFER IS FIGHTING AT FULL CAPACITY with his speed and perceptions in play.
Originally posted by Magnificent M
Full Capacity does not exclude In Character, unless stated.
You just nailed the coffin shut. But, even if we removed CIS, the Surfer would be up against a power at least 2-3 tiers above him in direct comparison to P5 Namor. PIS is when you have the Surfer narrowly escape death while facing Knull.
H1 is trying to argue that PIS would be the only way that P5 Namor would win, even though P5 Namor is vastly more powerful. He would also like to mislead us into believing that by using full capacity for the Surfer that we can ignore the Surfer's style of combat due to his character.
The only versions of the Surfer that I know of that could likely defeat P5 Namor after a major struggle would be The Keeper, or The Fallen One. Base form Surfer would be brutally defeated.
Silver Surfer 🏄‍♂️ vision of his own mind might be able to seize the brakes in battle by using the power cosmic to control his thoughts.
It wouldn’t hurt Phoenix to galaxy collide by brakes in spiral but Surfer would need his board.
Phoenix would bond him to ‘the brake’ and he’d be done for eternity...herald defeated.
Originally posted by Stoic
You just nailed the coffin shut. But, even if we removed CIS, the Surfer would be up against a power at least 2-3 tiers above him in direct comparison to P5 Namor. PIS is when you have the Surfer narrowly escape death while facing Knull.H1 is trying to argue that PIS would be the only way that P5 Namor would win, even though P5 Namor is vastly more powerful. He would also like to mislead us into believing that by using full capacity for the Surfer that we can ignore the Surfer's style of combat due to his character.
The only versions of the Surfer that I know of that could likely defeat P5 Namor after a major struggle would be The Keeper, or The Fallen One. Base form Surfer would be brutally defeated.
There was another Surfer in Secret Wars 2 that no sold Maestro and treated him like a child.
Originally posted by Stoic
You just nailed the coffin shut. But, even if we removed CIS, the Surfer would be up against a power at least 2-3 tiers above him in direct comparison to P5 Namor. PIS is when you have the Surfer narrowly escape death while facing Knull.H1 is trying to argue that PIS would be the only way that P5 Namor would win, even though P5 Namor is vastly more powerful. He would also like to mislead us into believing that by using full capacity for the Surfer that we can ignore the Surfer's style of combat due to his character.
The only versions of the Surfer that I know of that could likely defeat P5 Namor after a major struggle would be The Keeper, or The Fallen One. Base form Surfer would be brutally defeated.
We don't go by power levels when determining a winner. That's like saying that character A wins because he's stronger. A can be a billion times more powerful than B and still lose to B.
We have to look at all the abilities a character will bring to the forum fight and analyze carefully.
Surfer has several ways to put Namor down (Black hole, removing the PF, Bfr, etc).
Surfer will not start the fight with those options. But those options will become viable if nothing else is working.
Originally posted by h1a8
We don't go by power levels when determining a winner. That's like saying that character A wins because he's stronger. A can be a billion times more powerful than B and still lose to B.We have to look at all the abilities a character will bring to the forum fight and analyze carefully.
Surfer has several ways to put Namor down (Black hole, removing the PF, Bfr, etc).
Surfer will not start the fight with those options. But those options will become viable if nothing else is working.
Surfer will do nothing but be defeated by his superior in all ways. Removing the Phoenix Force? What? You're a clown.
All Phoenix Force avatars have Cosmic Awareness that is above the Heralds of Galactus. Phoenix Force avatars are powerful enough to fight Galactus. The Surfer isn't. All Phoenix Force avatars can move at FTL speeds. Power levels do matter when you pit a gnat up against an inferno. Learn about the characters that you argue against instead of typing out random bullshit that you believe will stick. No one on any forum would agree with you. Go back and read the responses.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
There was another Surfer in Secret Wars 2 that no sold Maestro and treated him like a child.
The Surfer has power over energy enriched characters like the Hulk. He uses power hijacking against them. It's the reason that weaker characters like Hercules can knock him on his can, while most Hulks are helpless before him.
Originally posted by Stoic
Surfer will do nothing but be defeated by his superior in all ways. Removing the Phoenix Force? What? You're a clown.All Phoenix Force avatars have Cosmic Awareness that is above the Heralds of Galactus. Phoenix Force avatars are powerful enough to fight Galactus. The Surfer isn't. All Phoenix Force avatars can move at FTL speeds. Power levels do matter when you pit a gnat up against an inferno. Learn about the characters that you argue against instead of typing out random bullshit that you believe will stick. No one on any forum would agree with you. Go back and read the responses.
The Surfer has power over energy enriched characters like the Hulk. He uses power hijacking against them. It's the reason that weaker characters like Hercules can knock him on his can, while most Hulks are helpless before him.
All you are doing is trolling at this point. You haven't addressed anything I said. The PF has been easily knocked out of Namor. Why ignore this?
Namor has no feats of nanosecond reactions. Namor has no feats of obtaining light speed within the first few seconds of travel.
Namor has no feats against Bfr or singularities.
Even if you want to give him other peoples feats then you still have to show the scans or give issue numbers.
Give any relevant speed feat from ANY PF user.
Give any relevant feat against Bfr from any PF user.
Give feats!
Originally posted by h1a8
All you are doing is trolling at this point. You haven't addressed anything I said. The PF has been easily knocked out of Namor. Why ignore this?Namor has no feats of nanosecond reactions. Namor has no feats of obtaining light speed within the first few seconds of travel.
Namor has no feats against Bfr or singularities.Even if you want to give him other peoples feats then you still have to show the scans or give issue numbers.
Give any relevant speed feat from ANY PF user.
Give any relevant feat against Bfr from any PF user.Give feats!
It was knocked out....By Scarlet Witch, wielding Chaos Magic, which was his weakness iirc.
You can't give Surfer her feats.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It was knocked out....By Scarlet Witch, wielding Chaos Magic, which was his weakness iirc.You can't give Surfer her feats.
It looked like a collaboration between all the avengers (including Thing) knocking him out and that Wanda was shielding herself. I'll reread it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
1. It was a pretty important plot point But you would know that if you had read the actual AvX storyline2. What does it have to do with Surfer? You literally said we don't share feats - then shared feats.
1. No it wasn't.
2. You can't answer a question with a question.
1. Erm.... yes it was.
Her Chaos Magic and Hope were the only ones capable of hurting the PF. Just her touch hurt Cyclops, who literally stopped an enraged Thor with a finger:
In short, what Scarlet Witch could do/did, does not translate to Surfer.
Edit: hell, it wasn't even her touch, lol. Just holding her arm hurt Cyclops.
2.....Except I did. I literally answered your question, had you bothered to read on.