Originally posted by dadudemon
What this guy said:But I don't know who is doing the deflecting. I don't feel like searching for all this crap for 2 hours to find the answer just to find out I was gaslit.
It makes sense that one of them was an anarchist. The entire plot is clearly anti-government. But what about the rest? There are still 7 other individuals involved.
Questioning whether or not they are trump supporters is not a deflection when people have tried to blame him for this.
If people didnt have TDS he wouldn't have been brought into this, but they do so he has.
I'm not even saying they are on the left or anything. Just that I haven't seen any evidence they support trump, but I have seen some to show at least some were anti trump
Originally posted by Surtur
Yet if one wants to declare them as such and blame trump they'd need actual proof.I'm not saying the proof doesn't exist, but if it does it certainly hasn't been mentioned in this thread.
If only it weren't you know a quick google search away 😉
Even shows one of the men in a pro trump hat 😆
Seriously though it isn't that hard to connect these men's messages to conservative movements in this country that have consistently sided with the GOP.
Even if you don't believe their dogma matches what you believe conservativism in America represents. 😬
Originally posted by SurturYes and it's easy enough to prove they fall within the Dogma of modern conservative groups.
It's on those making the claim to back it up though
Anti government, pro-guns, at this point White Supremacists groups generally support GOP candidates even if they aren't endorsed back.
To think this was a stretch is the laughable idea in this instance.
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Even then I just literally posted evidence you should have found in your search if you weren't so keen to try and dismiss and just jump on the first thing you thought proved they weren't.
Seriously an Anarchy flag 😂
Originally posted by dadudemonOf course you don't🙄
I don't see the anarchy = conservative take at all.They are overtly antithetical to each other.
Originally posted by Newjak👆
Let's see they are part of a white supremacists' group. They tried to kidnap a Democratic Governor. They have other conservative ideals.I don't think an Anarchist Flag negates all of that. I mean odds are they would vote conservative.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't see the anarchy = conservative take at all.They are overtly antithetical to each other.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
This is true, but I think there's a lot of conservatives who aren't aware of that. The sort who are convinced that conservatism and freedom are the same thing might be inclined to take up an anarchist flag, as ironic as that might be.
I think that's down to a lot of people having no real understanding of political science. And that's not meant as a put down, more that like people just don't understand the differences in political philosophy's.
someone hears "anarchy" and they think "revolt and fight the power" which is a shallow interpretation of it.
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edit: look at this worthless post of mine saying "things are complicated when you learn them!" Good lord thank god it's friday.
Originally posted by Quincy
The Dude Man makes sense
From the moment Republican President Ronald Regan said, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are 'I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help,'" conservativism in American has become ideologically anti-government.
Decades later, Republican Lobbyist Grover Norquist confessed the aim of conservatism is to "reduce the government to the size where I can drown it in the bathtub."
You can see it today in the Trump administration, which has staffed every government agency with conservative lobbyists whose career aim is to dismantle the very agencies they have been appointed to lead.
It is why the FBI determined that far-right, anti-governent extremism is the single greatest domestic terrorism threat in the United States.
In practical terms, Anarchy is the abolition of government. That is precisely what conservatives have been pushing for over 40 years in this country.
So no, he does not sense. He is either playing dumb, or it is not an act.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
This is true, but I think there's a lot of conservatives who aren't aware of that. The sort who are convinced that conservatism and freedom are the same thing might be inclined to take up an anarchist flag, as ironic as that might be.
Originally posted by Quincy
I think that's down to a lot of people having no real understanding of political science. And that's not meant as a put down, more that like people just don't understand the differences in political philosophy's.someone hears "anarchy" and they think "revolt and fight the power" which is a shallow interpretation of it.
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edit: look at this worthless post of mine saying "things are complicated when you learn them!" Good lord thank god it's friday.
I think my issue is what Quincy describes. I am expecting people to understand that if they take up the Anarchy Flag (literally), they understand that it is as far left as it can possibly get. It is extreme bottom-left quadrant on the political spectrum. The exact opposite quadrant from the American Conservative Movement who sit in the top right Auth-Right quadrant.