Red Son Superman vs WW Hulk

Last one - speedblitzing multiple no-name GLs:

It's to show hey, he actually uses his speed offensively as well.

Oh hell, one more:

So in summary:

1. He is fast. Superfast. 15 million miles in ~55 seconds fast. 800 miles in a few miliseconds (?), changing clothes, stopping trains AND spotting emergencies fast.

2. Forum rules say he can use this speed defensively.

3. He has show he is willing to use this speed offensively

4. BFR is still an option, and he has shown the willingness to use this as with Brainiac.

5. If needed, I can also show his intelligence, to show that he will at the very least use his speed defensively (i.e. not get hit enough to lose), and then if he IS losing, to use BFR,

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're one of the worst offenders for powerset debating, which is why I made that point.

Well I'm not leaning towards closing it, so it's not that bad.

Oh, he's definitely a herald. I just don't see the point of having threads about him. Maybe it's just me.

Fair enough. It was a short run of stories (only 3 issues!) but had plenty of battle feats, I thought. and you know some posters would cling onto anything they can (Carver, hello!)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Last one - speedblitzing multiple no-name GLs:

It's to show hey, he actually uses his speed offensively as well.

Oh hell, one more:

So in summary:

1. He is fast. Superfast. 15 million miles in ~55 seconds fast. 800 miles in a few miliseconds (?), changing clothes, stopping trains AND spotting emergencies fast.

2. Forum rules say he can use this speed defensively.

3. He has show he is willing to use this speed offensively

4. BFR is still an option, and he has shown the willingness to use this as with Brainiac.

5. If needed, I can also show his intelligence, to show that he will at the very least use his speed defensively (i.e. not get hit enough to lose), and then if he IS losing, to use BFR,

Fair enough. It was a short run of stories (only 3 issues!) but had plenty of battle feats, I thought. and you know some posters would cling onto anything they can (Carver, hello!)

Except NONE of this is relevant, Hulk's leaping speed has rivalled captain universe and not only caught surfer and jack of hearts (who was at top speed) but has shown out pacing a robot that has literally out right beaten the fastest speedsters in marvel.

Cool.

So the fastest speedster in Marvel is apparently this robot.

And then apparently, ABOVE this robot, is Professor Hulk.

And then what , Hulk Killer Humanoid? 😂

@Alberto...

Hulk has also out reacted Gladiator. Hulk stomps here.

I like how when Hulk out-reacts Gladiator, it means Hulk is super-fast.

But when Grundy does the same to Superman, it means Superman is slow.

Consistency, where art thou?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I like how when Hulk out-reacts Gladiator, it means Hulk is super-fast.

But when Grundy does the same to Superman, it means Superman is slow.

Consistency, where art thou?

I'm being sarcastic there. Red son isn't unhittable. Hulk isn't as fast as Gladiator. The topic in this thread should not be happening. If Red Son is unhittable, Surfer can spam red suns, black holes, while going intangible during combat. Why let one thing pass and not all?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except it was never confirmed all Kryptonians held back in this issue.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm being sarcastic there. Red son isn't unhittable. Hulk isn't as fast as Gladiator. The topic in this thread should not be happening. If Red Son is unhittable, Surfer can spam red suns, black holes, while going intangible during combat. Why let one thing pass and not all?

This post wasn't directed at you by the way Pr.

Run sun wipes him out

Originally posted by carver9
I'm being sarcastic there. Red son isn't unhittable. Hulk isn't as fast as Gladiator. The topic in this thread should not be happening. If Red Son is unhittable, Surfer can spam red suns, black holes, while going intangible during combat. Why let one thing pass and not all?

Pause.

Try to understand what I wrote.

Reread it again.

Pause.

Then come back and post.

He survive 6 black holes. Lol the smallest blackhole is at least 2.16 solar mass. Anything less it can’t be formed. He survived 6 of them. What’s WWH going to do to hurt him.

Per DS’ scans, both bizarro and Superman were moving at super speed because everything else was frozen and then Superman took it up an notch and speed blitzed bizarro who was already moving at superspeed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Read my summary.

Pause.

Try to understand what I wrote.

Reread it again.

Pause.

Then come back and post.

Won’t change a thing. He’s going to have to wait till the AM for someone to wake up and then to explain this to him. Maybe he should get on the phone and get in touch with JBL’s writer friends.

Oh the Bizarro scans are out of sync.

Superman blitzes Bizarro, then they see s nuke coming and then timestop to make a decision.

Edit

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh the Bizarro scans are out of sync.

Superman blitzes Bizarro, then they see s nuke coming and then timestop to make a decision.

Yeah, they're posted out of order because I was illustrating two different points - that he has the speed to create an effective timestop, and that he was willing to use his speed offensively, so powerset AND mindset.

I'll post the rulings from Galan and Pr about Superman and speed soon.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Your point?

I don't think he's fanboying. I think he's legitimate. He just wants to point out that going by power set Hulk has no way to counter Superman. And he wants you to come up with a answer based solely on power set. However going by feats Hulk can and has hung with Superman-level characters so there's really nothing to prove.

In comics we sometimes have characters don't use their full speed against bricks often for the sake of the plot. This is a forum fight where we have Full capacity.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
In a forum setting we still use feats (however much they may or may not make sense) as a way to gauge. It seems your argument is to toss out all the times Superman has been shut down by slow characters. It's been shown time and time again that Hulk can react to any opponent at his level. There's no need to prove it.

Hulk has never reacted to someone moving at even 1% the speed of light. Not even once.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I like how when Hulk out-reacts Gladiator, it means Hulk is super-fast.

But when Grundy does the same to Superman, it means Superman is slow.

Consistency, where art thou?

Because Grundy is a slow ass brick. Superman has preferred to go for heavy hammering and blow for blow with physical foes. Speed blows is an ability he uses towards the middle of the fight.

Originally posted by Diesldude
He survive 6 black holes. Lol the smallest blackhole is at least 2.16 solar mass. Anything less it can’t be formed. He survived 6 of them. What’s WWH going to do to hurt him.

Per DS’ scans, both bizarro and Superman were moving at super speed because everything else was frozen and then Superman took it up an notch and speed blitzed bizarro who was already moving at superspeed.

😂 😂 You're such an idiot its hilarious, you obviously don't know how black holes work, I shouldn't need to explain this.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 😂 You're such an idiot its hilarious, you obviously don't know how black holes work, I shouldn't need to explain this.