I think the issue is your 60% market share comment. That’s contributed to DC no longer being with Diamond
September 2020
https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/246764-Publisher-Market-Shares-September-2020
More explanation for Q2
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/46307/direct-market-publisher-market-shares-based-comic-store-pos-data-q2-2020
Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh no I’m agreeing Marvel has more market shares. But at that time DC was also shutting down as well
The only time they’ve closed the gap temporarily was with the reboots, which after COIE were REALLY cash grabs. The only way They beat Marvel in Q2 was because Marvel wasn't releasing books at all 🤷🏽‍♂️ What’s were they shutting down?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilhttps://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/comic_sales.html?
https://m.the-numbers.com/movies/keywords/DC-Comics
Marvel takes more real life stories, situations and writes about them. Yes DC does it but overall DC doesn't do it as much or write it in a way that's relevant to what's going on. Marvel has touched in police brutality, 911, race relations, sexuality, ect for years. To DC's credit they have done similar stories but they write them in ways they rush them. Example Superman when he met BLM, Deathstroke when he tried to tackle police brutality and school shootings. Those two stories were written ehh
Batman is DC'S only seller, and thats FACT. DC has atleast 8-10 Batman books out support the entire company that sounds smart to you? Notice Marvel has no more than 4 Spider-Man books and maybe 2 Miles books. There's no room for other characters to grow at DC. Thor literally became a top 10 character in the last decade something almost unheard of.
I asked you to show me where Marvel was selling 60+%. I didn’t ask for you to divert into movies and delve into character based book sales. Everywhere I read marvel is around 40% last year.
. If you can’t understand the above quote, there are colorful pictures in the link below.
Marvel Comics: 40.20 percent market share
DC Comics: 29.29 percent market share
Image Comics: 8.04 percent market share
https://screenrant.com/dc-marvel-comic-book-sales-2019/
Now When are you going to stop lying?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 Really? BECAUSE Superman doesn't sell comics. Daredevil shouldn't be selling 45k-50k and Superman selling 35k-40k averaging out. Daredevil hardly gets any push or attention overall and yet Superman does and he sells less. figures eh?Superman should be outselling Daredevil. How much attention Superman gets and the budget his books get. Yet Daredevil has lesser teams behind him and lower budgets and outsells Superman for the past 20 years. Unless it's a number 1 or a special issue Superman doesn't sell. Wanna know why? Because. He's. not. Interesting.
Marvel has 63 % of the market of comics. DC only has 33%.
Marvel movies wise hit 15 billion in revenue in 10 years. DC hasn't hit that in 46 years of movies.
Hell even merch wise Spider-Man outsells every DC hero combinedBatman LITERALLY is their only one moving merchandise. That's not good 😆 But yet whenever somebody "hate" on Superman Its an issue
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/superhero-earns-13-billion-a-748281#:~:text=Both%20have%20strong%20properties%3A%20The,and%20Superman%20at%20%24277%20million.
None of that (assuming it was even true, when a lot of it isnt) is remotely relevant to what I said, though.
Don't move goalposts, please.
Originally posted by -K-M-
YouTube video
I don't even agree with that, but it does show that Superman as a character does draw a lot of different perspectives about the character.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So this is spetz' post.He's asking how would Hulk tag Superman in a forum fight - in short, a Superman who is using his speed defensively.
So what speed does he have?
Fast enough to intercept bullets at point blank range:
That alone is faster than WWH (and this is to you too Sin!! *kisses*). But meh.
Finds it easy to think at trans light speeds:
Meh.
In the fight with Bizarro, they're in a timestop (as is usual for their kind when decisions have to be made):
When standing next to Piotr, by the time his words have reached Piotr's ears, he's already changed his clothes, is 800 miles away, has stopped two trains from colliding and has already spotted 3 other emergencies:
https://i.postimg.cc/NMPLVDwn/Y9zjpi4.jpgIs 10x faster than the speed of thought, and shows it in battle with GLs:
In ~55 seconds, grabs Brainiac's ship and pulls it 15 million miles away. Then survives six mini black holes exploding.
.....
Sure, as stories go with feats, its no All Star Superman. But he demonstrated enough to show he's pretty fast and durable enough, and he's also smart enough to use BFR (oh, did I wait until we're past the 2nd page to bring this up???) if needed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Last one - speedblitzing multiple no-name GLs:It's to show hey, he actually uses his speed offensively as well.
Oh hell, one more:
So in summary:
1. He is fast. Superfast. 15 million miles in ~55 seconds fast. 800 miles in a few miliseconds (?), changing clothes, stopping trains AND spotting emergencies fast.
2. Forum rules say he can use this speed defensively.
3. He has show he is willing to use this speed offensively
4. BFR is still an option, and he has shown the willingness to use this as with Brainiac.
5. If needed, I can also show his intelligence, to show that he will at the very least use his speed defensively (i.e. not get hit enough to lose), and then if he IS losing, to use BFR,
Fair enough. It was a short run of stories (only 3 issues!) but had plenty of battle feats, I thought. and you know some posters would cling onto anything they can (Carver, hello!)
Red Son was standing ~1meter away from Pyotr when he was talking. Sound takes ~0.0029 seconds to travel 1m or 2.9 miliseconds.
He flew 800 miles, changed his clothes, saved two trains and spotted 3 other emergencies in 2.9 miliseconds. A hell of a speed feat, both reflex and travel.
Originally posted by abhilegendthe amount of time he spends talking about Superman has me thinking that he’s secretly in love with the character and hasn’t come to terms with it yet. It’s that love hate Thing and he can’t have him so he bitches about him here non stop.
How does this turn to sales and whether Superman is interesting or not?Oh, it's the same troll again. Dude, you love marvel comics, we get it.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
A battalion of full powered kryptonians working under the yellow sunshine of metropolis" Have a country level attack combined, They won't be effective against Hulk:
Originally posted by abhilegend
They hold back in populated cities troll.
😂
Did it say that in the comic Abhilegend? That's a pretty big assumption that's against your....usual stances of when and how people hold back.
Red Son Superman might have been an alternate Universe, but imo he was very powerful. Everything about him was similar to mainstream Superman. As far as alternate doppelgangers go, he like KC Superman, felt like they were meant to be equivalent to the mainstream. But again that's my imo. Feelings aren't feats.
I don't really see how he has any chance in hell of beating Green Scar in a fight? He was very efficient with his speed, so he could probably win by BFR, but he also wasn't against slugging it out and Green Scar could land hits on a flying Sentry.
So Red Son via BFR quickly. Otherwise, Green Scar beats him into a communist puddle. Red Son is a 3-issue mini-series. There's not much feats to debate about. Re-reading WWH, it's crazy how much wank Pak gave Hulk. Some straight fanboy shit like the way he beat up Hercules.
On a more calm level, he was easily on par with Classic Juggernaut. Then we found out he was holding back significantly even without WB. On top of that, super math was ensuring he never killed anyone subconsciously, and he also did it consciously. The WB we saw at the end of WWH was also a holding back WB. How many layers of holding back is that before even taking into account the dynamic factor?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Red Son Superman might have been an alternate Universe, but imo he was very powerful. Everything about him was similar to mainstream Superman. As far as alternate doppelgangers go, he like KC Superman, felt like they were meant to be equivalent to the mainstream. But again that's my imo. Feelings aren't feats.I don't really see how he has any chance in hell of beating Green Scar in a fight? He was very efficient with his speed, so he could probably win by BFR, but he also wasn't against slugging it out and Green Scar could land hits on a flying Sentry.
So Red Son via BFR quickly. Otherwise, Green Scar beats him into a communist puddle. Red Son is a 3-issue mini-series. There's not much feats to debate about. Re-reading WWH, it's crazy how much wank Pak gave Hulk. Some straight fanboy shit like the way he beat up Hercules.
On a more calm level, he was easily on par with Classic Juggernaut. Then we found out he was holding back significantly even without WB. On top of that, super math was ensuring he never killed anyone subconsciously, and he also did it consciously. The WB we saw at the end of WWH was also a holding back WB. How many layers of holding back is that before even taking into account the dynamic factor?
