As comprehensively shown in this thread, being the life force of reality/Big Bang and multiversal psionic nexus, the Phoenix Force is one of the most powerful entities in Marvel comics and can empower its hosts anywhere from team-buster level up to universal plus.
1 TOAA
2 Thanos with regulator
3 Molecule Man with Beyonder power
4 God Doom
5 HOTI
6 LT/Multi-Eternity
7 Phoenix Force
8 White Crown Phoenix
9 IG
10 Eternity/Infinity
11 Death, Oblivion, Entropy, Cosmic Cube
12 Rest of the Abstracts
13 Celestials/ Average Phoenix Host
14 Galactus / Cube beings
15 Inbetweener / Stranger / Skyfathers / Dormammu / Hell-Lords
Originally posted by abhilegend
LMAO, you got destroyed. Cope away your bitchiness, you're delusional.
Ok Looney Tune 😆 😆 😆
When youre in a position to be able to post scans which explicitly prove your point, without the need for your commentary then holla at me:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So what i've learnt from all of that waffle is either you dont actually read my posts or they go way over your head otherwise you wouldnt have just wasted your time.There is not a single point that youve brought up that hasnt already been covered and sufficiently countered.
There will not be an endless back and forth when your posts and nutty interpretations are getting debunked and yet instead of posting viable counters youre just saying "no they havent" "retcon" "retcon!" 😆
All you have to do is produce TWO in continuity scans from two different comic books (thereby establishing it as a companywide element) both referring to the same character, both saying EXPLICITLY that this character is the energies of creation or the BIG BANG in 616
NO scans showing another being triggering the Big Bang
No scans of one of Phoenixes many roles being highlighted and trying to pass that off as evidence that the other roles have been written off.Thats all youve had to do and youve failed with a whole 2 weeks to do it.
Achieve that and we'll move on.
Thats all 🙂
The forums waiting 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As comprehensively shown in this thread, being the life force of reality/Big Bang and multiversal psionic nexus, the Phoenix Force is one of the most powerful entities in Marvel comics and can empower its hosts anywhere from team-buster level up to universal plus.
LMAO, no you got destroyed and then hid behind one scan from FF 522 like your life depended on it.
1 TOAA
2 Thanos with regulator
3 Molecule Man with Beyonder power
4 God Doom
5 HOTI
6 LT/Multi-Eternity
7 Phoenix Force
8 White Crown Phoenix
9 IG
10 Eternity/Infinity
11 Death, Oblivion, Entropy, Cosmic Cube
12 Rest of the Abstracts
13 Celestials/ Average Phoenix Host
14 Galactus / Cube beings
15 Inbetweener / Stranger / Skyfathers / Dormammu / Hell-Lords
crylaugh
This is Alberto level delusional. Phoenix has barely any feats beyond Galactus, forget Eternity, forget IG.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ok Looney Tune 😆 😆 😆When youre in a position to be able to post scans which explicitly prove your point, without the need for your commentary then holla at me:
I already destroyed you on pretty much everything, you're basically hiding behind one scan from FF 522.
The forums waiting 😱
How about you show one feat from Phoenix without mentioning "big bang" (On which I comprehensively destroyed you) which is beyond even Galactus/Odin level. Just one.
You simply can't.
Oh and 616 reality only. No alternate futures as you deem those alternate realities, huh?
Originally posted by abhilegend
LMAO, no you got destroyed and then hid behind one scan from FF 522 like your life depended on it.crylaugh
This is Alberto level delusional. Phoenix has barely any feats beyond Galactus, forget Eternity, forget IG.
You seem to have a lot of free time to talk shit 😕
How about investing said time to produce some conclusive evidence.
What youve posted thus far doesnt cut it and ive laid out why.
Carry on dodging you most basic of debaters 😮💨
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You seem to have a lot of free time to talk shit 😕How about investing said time to produce some conclusive evidence.
What youve posted thus far doesnt cut it and ive laid out why.
Carry on dodging you most basic of debaters 😮💨
"How about you show one feat from Phoenix without mentioning "big bang" (On which I comprehensively destroyed you) which is beyond even Galactus/Odin level. Just one.
You simply can't.
Oh and 616 reality only. No alternate futures as you deem those alternate realities, huh?"
Originally posted by abhilegend
I already destroyed you on pretty much everything, you're basically hiding behind one scan from FF 522.How about you show one feat from Phoenix without mentioning "big bang" (On which I comprehensively destroyed you) which is beyond even Galactus/Odin level. Just one.
You simply can't.
Oh and 616 reality only. No alternate futures as you deem those alternate realities, huh?
Another dodge.
Why am I addressing your request when you have ducked and dived mine from weeks back?
Post a scan which speaks for itself. A scan that explicitly states another entity embodies the Big Bang and not some ambiguous nonsense that you need to post your waffle alongside.
Do so and i'll happily deal with your request 😄
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Another dodge.Why am I addressing your request when you have ducked and dived mine from weeks back?
LMAO, I posted literally dozens of scans from several different comics and even your own posts from years ago where YOU accepted that Phoenix is just like Alien Entity and Sise Neg and a scan from Uncanny X men which states that Phoenix is just another trigger for big bang which you accepted yourself. But you're still clinging to that moronic take. On literally one scan.
Post a scan which speaks for itself. A scan that explicitly states another entity embodies the Big Bang and not some ambiguous nonsense that you need to post your waffle alongside.
Do so and i'll happily deal with your request 😄
LMAO, you'll never accept anything which says that. It's your lifeline at this point.
And I accept your concession again that without the "big bang" scan from FF 522, Phoenix has basically nothing in terms of feats. GG
Originally posted by abhilegend
LMAO, I posted literally dozens of scans from several different comics and even your own posts from years ago where YOU accepted that Phoenix is just like Alien Entity and Sise Neg and a scan from Uncanny X men which states that Phoenix is just another trigger for big bang which you accepted yourself. But you're still clinging to that moronic take. On literally one scan.LMAO, you'll never accept anything which says that. It's your lifeline at this point.
And I accept your concession again that without the "big bang" scan from FF 522, Phoenix has basically nothing in terms of feats. GG
All of the "evidence" you've produced falls into the following categories:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm1)Showing scans of others triggering the Big Bang doesnt equate to proving Phoenix isnt those Big Bang energies (as its stated on panel it is)
2)You showing a Big Bang event happening without the comic making reference to Phoenix doesnt equate to a retcon as
a) Said scans dont give the role to another being and thats what would be required for a retcon to have taken place
b) Omission in a non Phoenix story is not a retcon, anymore than a depiction of a generic universe without reference to Eternity would mean he is no longer embodiment and sentience of the universe.
3) Eternity is called the sentience of the universe, embodiment of the universe and embodiment of time. A scan referring to only one of those things would not equate to a retcon
a)as they are complementary and being one doesnt mean he cant be the other.
b) said responsibilities are mentioned throughout continuity
So why would it be different for the Phoenix Force? Because you have ZERO objectivity and are here to try to win and save face? 🙄
Your evidence SOLELY consists of points 1 to 3. You have ZERO evidence that states or shows explicitly that another being is the Big Bang in current continuity and thats what you need to prove a retcon.
The bravado, the calls of retcon demonstrate you are all show and completely devoid of substance. ✅
Share and highlight the truth and be humble and have the integrity to admit when youre wrong 👆
You havent proven a thing. Either the comprehension isnt there or youre a sore loser trying to save face.
ALL you have to do is post scans that state conclusively and explicitly (therefore not requiring any commentary or interpretation from yourself) that another entity is the Big Bang.
Given that Phoenix has been stated explicitly to be this, nothing short of such conclusive evidence is going to cut it.
You have failed thus far.
Provide the evidence as requested weeks back and then we can move on to another point
🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All of the "evidence" you've produced falls into the following categories:
Nope. I see you are still in denial.
You havent proven a thing. Either the comprehension isnt there or youre a sore loser trying to save face.
I've proved literally everything I wanted to. You going fingers in your ears doesn't mean shit.
ALL you have to do is post scans that state conclusively and explicitly (therefore not requiring any commentary or interpretation from yourself) that another entity is the Big Bang.
You yourself have said that Alien Entity and Sise Neg are exactly same as Phoenix Force.
You're basically arguing against yourself at this point.
Given that Phoenix has been stated explicitly to be this, nothing short of such conclusive evidence is going to cut it.
LMAO, retconned in Uncanny x men 473.
You have failed thus far.
Provide the evidence as requested weeks back and then we can move on to another point
🙂
I've already done it multiple times and already beaten you, your bitchiness. Live in denial for all I care.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And as you want the exact words, here you go. Explosion (Child of Eternity) is the spirit/embodiment of big bang now.Starbrand and Nightmask 3. And the events were mentioned in Ultimates 6
Now THIS is more like it. Its taken 3 weeks but you've finally provided some evidence that flat out states your point on panel.
I was right to rubbish your previous claims that the likes of Sise Neg, Franklin Richards, Metatron and Entropy were the embodiments of the Big Bang as the evidence didn't show that. It was just your interpretation which you yourself have now found to be wrong.
I hope you can see the difference between the ambiguous evidence your case consisted of before and the evidence that you've just presented here now.
The spirit and the embodiment of the Big Bang as it currently stands in continuity is Explosion.
That cant be argued against.
There is however a sticking point. 😖hifty:
The Abstracts are conceptual entities. By that I mean they have no physicality or inherent power, they are sentient ideas that are able to draw power from that which they represent in the physical universe and have Mbodies crafted for them so they can have a physical presence in reality and make use of said power.
As confirmed in his bio for example Eternity isnt the physical universe and its energies himself, he is a living concept that can draw on that power:
So the same holds true for Explosion as per the nature of a conceptual/Abstract being. He is 100% the sentient idea/concept of the Big Bang, no one can argue against that. However he isnt the physical Big Bang/energies of creation themselves. That's the differentiating factor between the Phoenix Force and Explosion.
Explosion is the living concept of the Big Bang event and its spirit and can use an Mbody to tap into that power, the Phoenix Force is physically said energies with this long established role as the prime universal life-force reaffirmed as recently as 2019, 3 years after the debut of Explosion in 2016
So nice find with regards to those Nightmask/Starbrand/Ultimates scans.
A retcon has taken place. But it doesn't quite mean what you probably thought it did.
Originally posted by abhilegendlol
And as you want the exact words, here you go. Explosion (Child of Eternity) is the spirit/embodiment of big bang now.Starbrand and Nightmask 3. And the events were mentioned in Ultimates 6
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYou should read the whole thread when you have time. It's the 2008 war of attrition type of tactics where there's one page with 14 consecutive posts but it's not hard to follow once you get down to it.
You two are celebrating 2020/2021 hard, I see.Seriously, get a room, you lovebirds 😍