Who is more powerful than the 616 Infinity Gauntlet?

Originally posted by wxyz
So Phoenix is a multiversal power?

What about Secret Wars 2 Beyonder and Molecule Man, either of them vs 616 IG?

Just like Eternity operates at both a universal and a multiversal level, the same hold true of the Phoenix Force.

It is the sum and substance of all life in reality.

So all universal matter and energy derive from the Phoenix Force degree of separation.

"sum and substance of ife"

the source of all the stars, planets and Gods:

There would be a void without as its totality encompasses all:

That's in contrast to Eternity and Infinity who are conceptual beings that represent aspects of the creation(time and space) that the Phoenix is the physical sum and substance of.

It empowers a multversal Phoenix Corps and the top ranking hosts such as Jean operate on a level beyond the Abstracts and IG, able to casually destroy realities that threaten the wider multiversal system and telekinetically manipulate the atomic structure of whole universes, which takes far more power than simply blowing one up.

Secret Wars 2 Beyonder and Molecule Man both possessed more power than the IG. But theyre out of continuity so pointless dwelling on them.

You seem to be making some good points.

The scans you post are statements, not feats like the 616 IG has.

Originally posted by wxyz
You seem to be making some good points.

The scans you post are statements, not feats like the 616 IG has.

Nope. ive posted both feats and statements from reputable authorities i.e cosmic characters who would have the knowledge or the authors captions themselves.

The feats themselves were the containment of the multiversal m'kraan, the casual destruction of universes with a thought and the manipulation of 616s atomic structure in the palm of Jeans hand.

The IG gives virtually supreme power in a universe. The feats ive posted make that irrelevant and demonstrate power on a different scale.

Dont do a superficial analysis, look at everything and pick up on the implications 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It is the power behind the hosts feats, it facilitates them so by what strange logic would you try and separate them?

Modern comics have veered away from "Skills of the host matters" to the "willingness of the host matters" as demonstrated by your own scans.

If a host does something great on panel then is it not logical that the Force itself is capable of greater? 😕

Is it now? Remind us what happened to Phoenix Force in AvX.

Apocryphal only to one who knows the bare minimum about a subject he is arrogantly trying to debate on. Do better 👆

😂

Big words from someone like you.

If something is presented as fact within the comic book world, then unless a retcon is explicitly put in place showing it is no longer fact, you have no grounds in saying otherwise. Know your place 😱

Fortunately, we got one.

The Phoenix Force itself indicates in New X-men 154 that there are different classes of avatar when it states in New X-men 154 that telekinetic control of the universes atoms isn't as easy as it sounds in training even for a White Phoenix:

Like I said, there are some outliers for its power.

Necrom siphoned a shard of the Phoenix Force millenia ago, yet was capable of greater feats of power with this fragment of the Force, than Rachel who was the chosen host of the Phoenix:

Heh, like I said apocryphal. But did you know that Necrom actually defeated Phoenix Force and in turn was defeated by Rachel?

Again showing you that how powerful a host is depends on the ability of said host and its compatibility with the Force.

The Phoenix Force again highlighted that there is a difference between hosts as recently as 2018 when it stated that in the Jean Grey limited series that Jean Grey was its most powerful and influential host:

Only because she chose Phoenix willingly. There's not even mention of the word "skill".

As i said in my previous example, the IG is like an automatic family car and the Phoenix would be a manual sports car.

The automatic is easier to use, its pick up and go making for consistent high showings.

Its not. Phoenix is all hype with nothing to show bar one or two showings.

The manual has a learning curve, but once mastered gives a greater degree of fine control and performance than an automatic ever could. It all just depends on the user. Hence the varying showings of hosts. 😉

No, it's not.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Just like Eternity operates at both a universal and a multiversal level, the same hold true of the Phoenix Force.

It is the sum and substance of all life in reality.

So all universal matter and energy derive from the Phoenix Force degree of separation.

"sum and substance of ife"

Retconned. Its the sum of the psychic energy now. Not life.

the source of all the stars, planets and Gods:

According to Shiar beliefs. Not true as we have actually seen Knull witnessing celestials create all planets and stars in the universe.

There would be a void without as its totality encompasses all:

Again, retconned.

That's in contrast to Eternity and Infinity who are conceptual beings that represent aspects of the creation(time and space) that the Phoenix is the physical sum and substance of.

It empowers a multversal Phoenix Corps and the top ranking hosts such as Jean operate on a level beyond the Abstracts and IG, able to casually destroy realities that threaten the wider multiversal system and telekinetically manipulate the atomic structure of whole universes, which takes far more power than simply blowing one up.

So does Merlyn and Roma. Doesn't makes them more powerful than abstracts.

Secret Wars 2 Beyonder and Molecule Man both possessed more power than the IG. But theyre out of continuity so pointless dwelling on them.

The stories are in continuity, just that both are now just cosmic cubes and less powerful than IG.

You're awful at this.

This was your big comeback eh? 😆

Well you certainly don't disappoint in being disappointing.

Lets begin shall we? 😉

Originally posted by abhilegend
Modern comics have veered away from "Skills of the host matters" to the "willingness of the host matters" as demonstrated by your own scans.

Once someone is willing to be a host and takes on the Force then how the host performs is all down to how skilled they are, how emotionally stable they are, are their actions aligned to the Forces agenda and also is the Force pushing the host to do something that they’re not comfortable with. All of these factors determine how powerful a host is.
If having full access to the Force was just a simple matter of a host being willing, then why are the best on panel feats by Jean Grey who the Force says is the most powerful host? Why would the Force distinguish the power and influence held by Jean Grey as unmatched by all other hosts its ever had if there have been plenty of other willing hosts?

Cyclops sought out the Phoenix power during the Time Runs out arc in 2015. He was very willing.
Thane sought out the power in the Thanos series in 2017. He was very willing.
Kid Omega willingly sought out the Phoenix power in The Mighty Thor series in 2017
If it was just a case of willingness to be a host then one wouldn’t be more powerful and influential than any other as testified by the Phoenix itself and as demonstrated by said host that the Force highlights also having the best feats. Your theory is a dud.

Do not concoct stories and theories in a foolish attempt to gain the upper hand in an argument. Debate to highlight the truth, not to save face. Disgraceful.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is it now? Remind us what happened to Phoenix Force in AvX.

Cant wait for this one…..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said, there are some outliers for its power.

Containing the proven multiversal power of the M’kraan crystal twice,
Amputating timelines with a thought
Mnipulating the matter of an entire universe down to the atomic level
Projecting and replicating Excaliburs lighthouse so it exists in all realities of the multiverse.

That’s numerous top tier feats.

The Living Tribunal only has two feats of note to his name.
Restoring order after an outburst of energy from the IG and stopping the IG (an inanimate object) from working
Are these to be written off as outliers in the face of poor showings?
Dishing out what he calls his “Ultimate punishment”, failing to destroy Korvac then fleeing saying there’s nothing more he can do?

Needing the support of the other Abstracts to destroy Galactus and inadvertently getting destroyed by Reed Richards:

We wouldn’t write off LTs showings because of some bad showings that can be explained away. If it was made continuity that his high showings were the result of a power-up or were written out of continuity as not being what they seemed in a Beyonder like fashion then yes. But that is not the case.
Say it with me now, objectivity and consistency!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, like I said apocryphal. But did you know that Necrom actually defeated Phoenix Force and in turn was defeated by Rachel?

I don’t know if youre remembering the incident poorly, your reading and comprehension skills need support or you’re just flat out lying again but this didn’t happen LOL.

Necrom never defeated the Phoenix Force. Necrom and the Phoenix Force would’ve had to have been locked in battle and the Phoenix lost for him to have “defeated” the Force.

Necrom defeated his student Feron a new and inexperienced Phoenix host by tearing out the portion of the Phoenix Force he had bonded with. So not only were you wrong about the Phoenix Force being defeated but you’ve also enabled me to highlight the fact that a Phoenix Force host, even if there is just one of them, doesn’t necessarily bond with the Force.

Feron was just bonded with a portion of the Force. Necrom with a siphoned fragment was juggling planets, creating stars and blowing up solar systems.

So through your fabrications you’ve unwittingly strengthened my point that not all hosts are the same which is why there are varying showings between them

Originally posted by abhilegend
Only because she chose Phoenix willingly. There's not even mention of the word "skill".

Ive dealt with this earlier. Dud point. Fabrication.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its not. Phoenix is all hype with nothing to show bar one or two showings.

Again. Dealth with.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Retconned. Its the sum of the psychic energy now. Not life.

According to Shiar beliefs. Not true as we have actually seen Knull witnessing celestials create all planets and stars in the universe.

Just like Eternity is both the sentience of the universe and the embodiment of the chronal axis. The Phoenix Force is the physical sum and substance of life and the nexus of psionic energy.

Confirmed by Galactus to Franklin Richards just in July 2019. The PRIME universal force of life.

Given that the Phoenix is life manifest and psionic energy is generated by life, was it really that hard for your mind to make the connection?

Furthermore the Celestials creating some planets doesn’t stop the Phoenix Force being the sum and substance of all life.
We saw in Knulls memories that there was a Big Bang, followed by the Celestials later creating planets.

What you failed to pick up on is that following the Big Bang in Knull’s memories, he was falling for “EONS” as a result of the explosion. It was later after said eons that the Celestials emerged and started filling up the space with planets.
As we know from continuity, the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang:

Reed Richards

The Phoenixs memories

Kubik confirming that the power source of the stars is the Phoenix

Knulls memories don’t mean that the Phoenix Forces role has changed. It means nothing more than after the Big Bang the Celestials many eons later created some planets.
So the either they shaped planets out of universal matter or in addition to the planets and stars that naturally form following a Big Bang, the Celestials also created some of their own.
There was still a Big Bang, which is what the Phoenix Force is. Nothing has changed.

Moving on.....

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, retconned.

Why? Because you say so? Lol.
Present numerous consistent sources showing that Phoenix is no longer the sentience of the Big Bang and we’ll take it from there.
No Phoenix, no life. Just a void.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So does Merlyn and Roma. Doesn't makes them more powerful than abstracts.

The difference being that the Phoenix doesn’t just operate on a multiversal scale, it empowers avatars simultaneously across the multiverse with some of them such as Jean capable of snuffing out universes. You know the kind of universes the IG makes you top dog of. White Phoenix renders Thanos with the IG king of an anthill :/

Originally posted by abhilegend
The stories are in continuity, just that both are now just cosmic cubes and less powerful than IG.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're awful at this.

LOL @ you actually thinking you did something here.

I bet you pressed submit feeling real proud of yourself?

You aint nothing but a diet coke Mr Master. 🙄

Take the legend outta your name you failed promise.

Henceforth you will bow your head and speak my name with due reverence.

Thatll be all. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This was your big comeback eh? 😆

Well you certainly don't disappoint in being disappointing.

Lets begin shall we? 😉

What nonsense.
Your interpretation skills leave a lot to be desired. Fortunately there are posters like me who actually know what we’re talking about. The “willingness” referred to in the scans is willingness to be a host and accept the Force into themselves.

Once someone is willing to be a host and takes on the Force then how the host performs is all down to how skilled they are, how emotionally stable they are, are their actions aligned to the Forces agenda and also is the Force pushing the host to do something that they’re not comfortable with. All of these factors determine how powerful a host is.
If having full access to the Force was just a simple matter of a host being willing, then why are the best on panel feats by Jean Grey who the Force says is the most powerful host? Why would the Force distinguish the power and influence held by Jean Grey as unmatched by all other hosts its ever had if there have been plenty of other willing hosts?

Cyclops sought out the Phoenix power during the Time Runs out arc in 2015. He was very willing.
Thane sought out the power in the Thanos series in 2017. He was very willing.
Kid Omega willingly sought out the Phoenix power in The Mighty Thor series in 2017
If it was just a case of willingness to be a host then one wouldn’t be more powerful and influential than any other as testified by the Phoenix itself and as demonstrated by said host that the Force highlights also having the best feats. Your theory is a dud.

Do not concoct stories and theories in a foolish attempt to gain the upper hand in an argument. Debate to highlight the truth, not to save face. Disgraceful.

You tell me how AvX proves your theory that the Phoenix Force is less powerful than the hosts it empowers.

Cant wait for this one…..

As I said, varying showings are down to the capabilities of the host. That is a well-known factor. The Force is a sentient entity with an agenda. Not just a tool like the IG that gives all users access to the full scope of abilities by merely wearing it.

[B]Containing the proven multiversal power of the M’kraan crystal twice,
Amputating timelines with a thought
Mnipulating the matter of an entire universe down to the atomic level
Projecting and replicating Excaliburs lighthouse so it exists in all realities of the multiverse.

That’s numerous top tier feats.

The Living Tribunal only has two feats of note to his name.
Restoring order after an outburst of energy from the IG and stopping the IG (an inanimate object) from working
Are these to be written off as outliers in the face of poor showings?
Dishing out what he calls his “Ultimate punishment”, failing to destroy Korvac then fleeing saying there’s nothing more he can do?

Needing the support of the other Abstracts to destroy Galactus and inadvertently getting destroyed by Reed Richards:

We wouldn’t write off LTs showings because of some bad showings that can be explained away. If it was made continuity that his high showings were the result of a power-up or were written out of continuity as not being what they seemed in a Beyonder like fashion then yes. But that is not the case.
Say it with me now, objectivity and consistency! [/B]

What nonsense.
Your interpretation skills leave a lot to be desired. Fortunately there are posters like me who actually know what we’re talking about. The “willingness” referred to in the scans is willingness to be a host and accept the Force into themselves.

This is true.

Once someone is willing to be a host and takes on the Force then how the host performs is all down to how skilled they are, how emotionally stable they are, are their actions aligned to the Forces agenda and also is the Force pushing the host to do something that they’re not comfortable with. All of these factors determine how powerful a host is.

This is no longer true.

If having full access to the Force was just a simple matter of a host being willing, then why are the best on panel feats by Jean Grey who the Force says is the most powerful host? Why would the Force distinguish the power and influence held by Jean Grey as unmatched by all other hosts its ever had if there have been plenty of other willing hosts?

But sure, let's put it into imaginary "Skills" scenario, eh? Also Rachel has the best Phoenix feats out of any host, not Jean.

Cyclops sought out the Phoenix power during the Time Runs out arc in 2015. He was very willing.
Thane sought out the power in the Thanos series in 2017. He was very willing.
Kid Omega willingly sought out the Phoenix power in The Mighty Thor series in 2017
If it was just a case of willingness to be a host then one wouldn’t be more powerful and influential than any other as testified by the Phoenix itself and as demonstrated by said host that the Force highlights also having the best feats. Your theory is a dud.

And Scott harming God Doom itself is a better feat than any Phoenix host has ever done.

Do not concoct stories and theories in a foolish attempt to gain the upper hand in an argument. Debate to highlight the truth, not to save face. Disgraceful.

😂

You're easily triggered.

You tell me how AvX proves your theory that the Phoenix Force is less powerful than the hosts it empowers.
Cant wait for this one…..

Thor koed the Phoenix Force in one hammer shot. Phoenix Five were beating up Thor for fun.

As I said, varying showings are down to the capabilities of the host. That is a well-known factor. The Force is a sentient entity with an agenda. Not just a tool like the IG that gives all users access to the full scope of abilities by merely wearing it.
Containing the proven multiversal power of the M’kraan crystal twice,

Amputating timelines with a thought

Mnipulating the matter of an entire universe down to the atomic level

Projecting and replicating Excaliburs lighthouse so it exists in all realities of the multiverse.

That’s numerous top tier feats.
The Living Tribunal only has two feats of note to his name.
Restoring order after an outburst of energy from the IG and stopping the IG (an inanimate object) from working
Are these to be written off as outliers in the face of poor showings?
Dishing out what he calls his “Ultimate punishment”, failing to destroy Korvac then fleeing saying there’s nothing more he can do?

Do I look like I give a shit about LT? He is also all hype and no show for actual feats.

You're not arguing with Master here.

We wouldn’t write off LTs showings because of some bad showings that can be explained away. If it was made continuity that his high showings were the result of a power-up or were written out of continuity as not being what they seemed in a Beyonder like fashion then yes. But that is not the case.
Say it with me now, objectivity and consistency!

Actually we can and will. Feats matter here.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I don’t know if youre remembering the incident poorly, your reading and comprehension skills need support or you’re just flat out lying again but this didn’t happen LOL.

Necrom never defeated the Phoenix Force. Necrom and the Phoenix Force would’ve had to have been locked in battle and the Phoenix lost for him to have “defeated” the Force.

Necrom defeated his student Feron a new and inexperienced Phoenix host by tearing out the portion of the Phoenix Force he had bonded with. So not only were you wrong about the Phoenix Force being defeated but you’ve also enabled me to highlight the fact that a Phoenix Force host, even if there is just one of them, doesn’t necessarily bond with the Force.

Feron was just bonded with a portion of the Force. Necrom with a siphoned fragment was juggling planets, creating stars and blowing up solar systems.

So through your fabrications you’ve unwittingly strengthened my point that not all hosts are the same which is why there are varying showings between them

Ive dealt with this earlier. Dud point. Fabrication.

Again. Dealth with.

But tell me, why did Phoenix flee from Necrom after he ripped part of it out? Shouldn't this almighty force destroy him?

Yeah, juggling stars and planets or solar systems shouldn't be hard for someone who defeated Phoenix Force. Even I know Phoenix is that powerful.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You really dont seem to grasp the concept of a retcon as i touched in my previous dismantling of your claims earlier in this thread. A retcon is when something is written out of continuity so what was before is meant to be taken as never having been the case. What is introduced means what was before can no longer be the case. If it can still be the case and the new idea introduced can exist alongside what came before then its not a retcon it’s a fleshing out of existing continuity.

Just like Eternity is both the sentience of the universe and the embodiment of the chronal axis. The Phoenix Force is the physical sum and substance of life and the nexus of psionic energy.

Confirmed by Galactus to Franklin Richards just in July 2019. The PRIME universal force of life.

Given that the Phoenix is life manifest and psionic energy is generated by life, was it really that hard for your mind to make the connection?

Furthermore the Celestials creating some planets doesn’t stop the Phoenix Force being the sum and substance of all life.
We saw in Knulls memories that there was a Big Bang, followed by the Celestials later creating planets.

What you failed to pick up on is that following the Big Bang in Knull’s memories, he was falling for “EONS” as a result of the explosion. It was later after said eons that the Celestials emerged and started filling up the space with planets.
As we know from continuity, the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang:

[B]Reed Richards

The Phoenixs memories

Kubik confirming that the power source of the stars is the Phoenix

Knulls memories don’t mean that the Phoenix Forces role has changed. It means nothing more than after the Big Bang the Celestials many eons later created some planets.
So the either they shaped planets out of universal matter or in addition to the planets and stars that naturally form following a Big Bang, the Celestials also created some of their own.
There was still a Big Bang, which is what the Phoenix Force is. Nothing has changed.

Moving on..... [/B]

Phoenix is not big bang. It was born AFTER the big bang.

So you've conceded that Phoenix didn't create planets, celestials did and its clearly confirmed in AvX 4 that Phoenix was born after big bang, so I guess that's a wrap.

Oh wow.
This was even worse than yesterday’s performance.
shitshowings certainly aren’t an outlier for you mate 😆

Day 2 of spank a b**ch
Lets begin….

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, this is me barely putting any effort. But I guess you're triggered nonetheless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is true.

I didn’t need your verification for that.

Originally posted by abhilegend

This is no longer true.

Jean also has the worst showings of all Phoenix hosts too (Getting killed by Xorn by a planetary EMP and that shattered the force into a billion pieces).

But sure, let's put it into imaginary "Skills" scenario, eh? Also Rachel has the best Phoenix feats out of any host, not Jean.

No longer true because you said so? Ive posted actual scans from continuity showing stating that not all hosts are equal and some are more powerful than others and yet because it doesn’t fit into your agenda you have shown you have no qualms in flat out lying and fabricating.

Different strokes…

The control a host has and their ability to harness the Forces power is highly dependent on a variety of factors.

Their emotional state:

Rachel loses control of the Phoenix Force due to her (at the time) fragile mental state and is unable to plan or act with any refinement, just lash out in a berserker rage

Rachel’s state of mind makes the Phoenix Force too difficult to effectively wield which affects her battle prowess:
“You’re holding back”

“Since I have arrived in this era I can’t control the Phoenix Force”

Below you see Nero completely unable to effectively wield the Phoenix Force despite being a willing host:

“This power of yours Summerset, why didn’t you tell me it had a will of its own”

“The Phoenix Force is a difficult burden to carry. You have to be strong of heart and mind to rein it in”

Rachel further expands on this point stating that if hosts aren’t able to control the Force (due to lack of strength of mind/willpower) then the Force consumes them.

That is why Rachel was holding back previously and consequently limiting her battle prowess as a result. Her time isolated in the tmestream had affected her mental health which meant she was unable to control the power despite being a willing host. Hence she held back to avoid going Dark Phoenix.

This is a common, well established theme of Marvels Phoenix mythos. Wielding the Force isn’t easy and you need certain qualities to be able to use it effectively.

If you don’t have it together, you cant wield the power without going Dark Phoenix therefore you have to limit your output.

Jeans worries and lack of confidence with her ability to safely wield the power lead to her subconsciously creating psychic circuit breakers which cut down her access to the Phoenix power.

Which is why she went from containing the multiversal power of the M’kraan crustal, to finding she reached a limit whilst dealing with a minor assailant weeks later:

Said scan explains the point perfectly. She is in mental turmoil and concerned about her ability to safely wield such power.

So she subconsciously erects psychic circuit breakers in her mind to limit her power:

Non-compliance with the Phoenixes agenda
When a host is in control and acting in line with the Phoenixes wishes then it can pull off its best feats as it is supported by the Force.

Here you see Jean Phoenix attacking Archangel with a blast that should’ve incinerated him, however as Archangels actions were in line with the Phoenixes agenda it refused to hurt him and turned on Jean:

In New X-men the Phoenix Force manifested once again in Jean Grey to remove the threat to evolution that was the sentient bacterial hive-mind called Sublime.
However as Jean let herself get distracted and weighed down by human matters and concerns such as her relationship with Cyclops the Phoenix left her vulnerable and she was killed by Xorn.

This lead to the Force resurrecting her in the future and allowing her to finish the job she should’ve completed 150yrs in the past. After removing Sublime and being forced to amputate the future, 616 was left in a critical state and would die without further intervention. Jean laments this and is told it was her fault:

“You lost concentration. Became emotionally engaged.”

“Heart got stuck”

Acting contrary to the Phoenixes duties leaves hosts vulnerable and without the full support of the Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Jason Aaron doesn't thinks Phoenix Force is very powerful to begin with.

According to who? Your interpretation? As ive shown that’s hardly credible.

Theres a difference between a low showing and a depowering in continuity. Phoenix hosts come in different power levels with Jean Grey being top of the pile in terms of her power output

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Scott harming God Doom itself is a better feat than any Phoenix host has ever done.

How so?
God Doom was surprised and caught unaware. Once he got his footing he easily overpowered and took out Cyclops.
So that feat is inconclusive and doesn’t give us much to work with.
Moving on…..

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're easily triggered.

Never that.
I enjoy putting foolish young upstarts in their place. You will learn. 😱

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor koed the Phoenix Force in one hammer shot. Phoenix Five were beating up Thor for fun.

Again. A durability showing is different to a capability showing. You’ve shown here that you don’t comprehend the difference. I’m here for support.

Originally posted by abhilegend
M'kraan crystal wasn't multiversal under Claremont.

As with all retcons that means we’re to view the crystal as always having been multiversal.

You know this. Stop with the purposeful fallacy. If youre wrong on an issue don’t knowingly post misinterpretations purely to save face. Be a man.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was done with the temporal manipulation and convincing Scott to let go of Jean and move on with Emma.

Nope. They were two separate things. She didn’t amputate the Here Comes Tomorrow future by nudging Scott to let go of her. If she did that it would’ve just created a divergent timeline.

Hence why it states on panel that she amputated that future reality and then pages later she goes on to nudge Scott to move on with Emma, hence continuing the 616 timeline.
This couldn’t have been a mistake or misinterpretation. As its not like the two incidents happened on the same page. They are clearly narrated individual actions separated by multiple pages.

Another intentional attempt to spread fallacy.
You have zero integrity or credibility as a debater. Carry on providing evidence in that regard

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is the only universal feat that is correct.

Not every quantity that exists within a category is the same.

For example Elixir is an omega mutant and Jamie Braddock is an omega mutant. Are they equals in power? 😕

Dominating abstracts within a universe who themselves are just fragments/aspects of said universe does not compare to casually having complete control of all matter and energy within a universe down to its component atoms. To pull that off you at an atomic level would have to be wielding more power than is contained within said universe. To pull it off so casually gives serious implications not just regarding the full capability of The White Phoenix, but that of the Phoenix Force that powers her.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This was done by Necrom, not Phoenix. Read it again.

Either youre trolling or mentally deficient. Seek help.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Do I look like I give a shit about LT? He is also all hype and no show for actual feats.

You're not arguing with Master here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually we can and will. Feats matter here.

Im glad you recognise that. Just comprehend that there is a difference between a low showing in terms of durability and a capability feat. Having a vulnerable moment in terms of defences doesn’t mean you can ignore capability demonstrated in terms of power output.

These are forum basics. I shouldn’t have to explain this to someone who has been a member for 10years. That’s just embarrassing

GS!

If your rebirth doesn't force Mr Master to logon(with his main account), nothing will.

GS I love you bud

but you gotta learn to use thumbnail you ancient dinosaur