Who is more powerful than the 616 Infinity Gauntlet?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Phoenix fled from Necrom after he ripped out part of it. That's a clear cut defeat, it was outright stated that Necrom could've easily killed Feron.

But tell me, why did Phoenix flee from Necrom after he ripped part of it out? Shouldn't this almighty force destroy him?

Yeah, juggling stars and planets or solar systems shouldn't be hard for someone who defeated Phoenix Force. Even I know Phoenix is that powerful.

You cant be this dense?

Seriously. You cant be 😕

The Force in this interpretation was a like a newborn baby. It had just re-awoken to sentience when Feron reached out to it.

It allowed Feron to bond with a portion of it so he could achieve his goals whilst it could experience sentience and human emotion and learn.

Necrom defeated Feron as despite Feron being bonded to a portion of the Phoenix he was still Necroms student and inferior in terms of skill and finesse with energy wielding and so was defeated.

This incident again proves my point that hosts dont all have full access to the Forces power and that they are only as capable as their mindset, willpower and ability allow them to be.

Furthermore as stated Feron was just bonded to a portion of its essence. So thats another way that hosts can differ thus explaining differences between them.

The Phoenix Force was just a neutral power source in this encounter. It wasnt in combat with Necrom itself. Necrom tearing out the portion of Force Feron was bonded with, pained it and it fled. Which when you consider the context given in the story (i.e it being newborn to sentience) makes sense.

So how does this in any way take away from the output of power that the Force is demonstrably capable of? They are separate things. Character behaviour, character durability, character power output. SEPARATE. A low showing of one doesnt allow you to dismiss whats achieved in the others. There is a clear comprehension issue here. Work on that.

Originally posted by Galan007
GS!

If your rebirth doesn't force Mr Master to logon(with his main account), nothing will.

To be honest thats kind of the plan. 😖hifty:

Glad you're well bro 😄

Originally posted by MrMind
GS I love you bud

but you gotta learn to use thumbnail you ancient dinosaur

You know you like my bold in your face scans 😆

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Phoenix is not big bang. It was born AFTER the big bang.

Ive presented scans saying that the power source of the stars is the Phoenix Force.

Scans saying it it is the sum and substance of all life

I've also presented scans explicitly stating that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang. They're one and the same.

What you dont seem to be able to compute is that the Phoenix can be both born in the Big Bang and be the matter/energy of the Big Bang.

The Force itself is the sentience of the Big Bang. Said sentience developing after the event.

Originally posted by abhilegend

So you've conceded that Phoenix didn't create planets, celestials did and its clearly confirmed in AvX 4 that Phoenix was born after big bang, so I guess that's a wrap.

I never said that the Phoenix created the planets. I said they stem from the Phoenix Force as it is the Big Bang. Why are you not getting the difference? Its not a complex point 😆

That Knull spotlight showed that a Big Bang happened, Knull was repelled for eons after which point the Celestials played their part in seeding the universe with life and aiding evolution.

This doesnt stop the Phoenix Force from being the life energy/matter that stars and planets stem from.

All this shows is that eons after the Big Bang, the Celestials either created planets out of ambient post Big Bang energy/matter or in addition to planets that form naturally after a Big Bang the Celestials also had a hand in creating planets.

Know the difference between the fleshing out of an origin and a retcon. The Big Bang still occurred in that issue and it wasn't stated to no longer be the Phoenix. 😄

As for your comment on Avengers Vs Xmen issue 4 it states that it was born in the microseconds in between cosmic death (end of the previous multiverse) and cosmic rebirth (beginning of the new multiverse/Big Bang)

What's the Big Bang?

A cosmological model which describes universal expansion from an initial state of extremely high density and high temperature

On the very next page Tony says that in order to attempt to make a Phoenix killer he has to "CRACK UNIVERSAL EXPANSION"

GAME OVER
You shot yourself in the foot with your own evidence.
Get the hell outta here and dont waste my time 😱 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Oh wow.
This was even worse than yesterday’s performance.
shitshowings certainly aren’t an outlier for you mate 😆

Day 2 of spank a b**ch
Lets begin….

Well maybe its time you did put in some effort cos you’re looking real foolish right now.

I didn’t need your verification for that.

No longer true because you said so? Ive posted actual scans from continuity showing stating that not all hosts are equal and some are more powerful than others and yet because it doesn’t fit into your agenda you have shown you have no qualms in flat out lying and fabricating.

Different strokes…

You're empty bravado and nothing else. I'm barely putting an effort in this, don't bore me with such shitty posts.

Out of morbid curiosity.

GalacticStorm, do you miss Mr Master? Or you're glad he's gone? 😛

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Out of morbid curiosity.

GalacticStorm, do you miss Mr Master? Or you're glad he's gone? 😛

I love that guy. 😄

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

You're empty bravado and nothing else. I'm barely putting an effort in this, don't bore me with such shitty posts.

I came out of retirement and I thoroughly whupped you.

Learn from this experience 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I love that guy. 😄

Well, chances are he won't come back to this site.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well, chances are he won't come back to this site.

What happened with him? I heard something about fake accounts or something but didnt get a proper explanation.

Any threads you could link me to as well so I can read the downfall? 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

What happened with him? I heard something about fake accounts or something but didnt get a proper explanation.

He's been socking since the very beginning (2006). But nobody gave a shit about him and he was never exactly caught red-handed, so mods let him post.

Until he went full retard and started replying to DarkSaint from 2 accounts... it only got worse after that --- he wasn't able to grasp the basic forum rules, insisting that his multiple accounts don't count as socking (lol...) and that he's too famous to use a single account on kmc (seriously) and we discovered like a dozen of his sock accounts scattered all over the forum... or more, actually - I've lost count (mods did the IP checks).

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Any threads you could link me to as well so I can read the downfall? 😆

There were many, lol.

But his downfall officially started in this one from last year:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=17006338#post17006338

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's been socking since the very beginning (2006). But nobody gave a shit about him and he was never exactly caught red-handed, so mods let him post.

Until he went full retard and started replying to DarkSaint from 2 accounts... it only got worse after that --- he wasn't able to grasp the basic forum rules, insisting that his multiple accounts don't count as socking (lol...) and that he's too famous to use a single account on kmc (seriously) and we discovered like a dozen of his sock accounts scattered all over the forum... or more, actually - I've lost count (mods did the IP checks).

There were many, lol.

But his downfall officially started in this one from last year:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=17006338#post17006338

If you go back to some of our early debates I said years back that he used sock accounts to make it seem as if people favoured him in debates. JUSTICE! 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you go back to some of our early debates I said years back that he used sock accounts to make it seem as if people favoured him in debates. JUSTICE! 😆

Yes, we did our homework and checked some old threads.

While I don't remember you stating that, I believe you.

I definitely stumbled upon the thread in which Prof. T.C McAbe (formerly known as Batman-Prime) called Mr Master out on it.

Here it is:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=604514&pagenumber=5

eaebiekuya, unknowable, Smoki, Killemall... all confirmed socks of his.

And that's not the full list, of course; far from it. Just the ones on page five of that thread.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The control a host has and their ability to harness the Forces power is highly dependent on a variety of factors.

[B]Their emotional state:

Rachel loses control of the Phoenix Force due to her (at the time) fragile mental state and is unable to plan or act with any refinement, just lash out in a berserker rage

Rachel’s state of mind makes the Phoenix Force too difficult to effectively wield which affects her battle prowess:
“You’re holding back”

“Since I have arrived in this era I can’t control the Phoenix Force”

Below you see Nero completely unable to effectively wield the Phoenix Force despite being a willing host:

“This power of yours Summerset, why didn’t you tell me it had a will of its own”

“The Phoenix Force is a difficult burden to carry. You have to be strong of heart and mind to rein it in”

Rachel further expands on this point stating that if hosts aren’t able to control the Force (due to lack of strength of mind/willpower) then the Force consumes them.

That is why Rachel was holding back previously and consequently limiting her battle prowess as a result. Her time isolated in the tmestream had affected her mental health which meant she was unable to control the power despite being a willing host. Hence she held back to avoid going Dark Phoenix.

This is a common, well established theme of Marvels Phoenix mythos. Wielding the Force isn’t easy and you need certain qualities to be able to use it effectively.

If you don’t have it together, you cant wield the power without going Dark Phoenix therefore you have to limit your output. [/B]

Way to concede your big argument.

Also Rachel was going out of control, that doesn't makes her weaker. That just makes her an out of control host. Again, you're pretty awful at reading scans.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jeans worries and lack of confidence with her ability to safely wield the power lead to her subconsciously creating psychic circuit breakers which cut down her access to the Phoenix power.

Which is why she went from containing the multiversal power of the M’kraan crustal, to finding she reached a limit whilst dealing with a minor assailant weeks later:

Said scan explains the point perfectly. She is in mental turmoil and concerned about her ability to safely wield such power.

So she subconsciously erects psychic circuit breakers in her mind to limit her power:

[B]Non-compliance with the Phoenixes agenda
When a host is in control and acting in line with the Phoenixes wishes then it can pull off its best feats as it is supported by the Force.

Here you see Jean Phoenix attacking Archangel with a blast that should’ve incinerated him, however as Archangels actions were in line with the Phoenixes agenda it refused to hurt him and turned on Jean:

In New X-men the Phoenix Force manifested once again in Jean Grey to remove the threat to evolution that was the sentient bacterial hive-mind called Sublime.
However as Jean let herself get distracted and weighed down by human matters and concerns such as her relationship with Cyclops the Phoenix left her vulnerable and she was killed by Xorn.

This lead to the Force resurrecting her in the future and allowing her to finish the job she should’ve completed 150yrs in the past. After removing Sublime and being forced to amputate the future, 616 was left in a critical state and would die without further intervention. Jean laments this and is told it was her fault:

“You lost concentration. Became emotionally engaged.”

“Heart got stuck”

Acting contrary to the Phoenixes duties leaves hosts vulnerable and without the full support of the Phoenix Force. [/B]

Also Age of Apocalypse, different reality altogether.

😂

Phoenix is talking about almost killing the amputated future timeline. Not the death at the hands of Xorn. You can't read for shit.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
According to who? Your interpretation? As ive shown that’s hardly credible.

Theres a difference between a low showing and a depowering in continuity. Phoenix hosts come in different power levels with Jean Grey being top of the pile in terms of her power output

How so?
God Doom was surprised and caught unaware. Once he got his footing he easily overpowered and took out Cyclops.
So that feat is inconclusive and doesn’t give us much to work with.
Moving on…..

Never that.
I enjoy putting foolish young upstarts in their place. You will learn. 😱

Doom needed Strange to gain his footing. Which Phoenix host has ever harmed anyone at God Doom level? Not Jean Grey for sure.

Yes, you're easily triggered.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
KO’d? To KO something you would have to incapacitate it, render it unable to continue a battle.
Thor attacked the Phoenix avatar and disrupted its energy form.
Big deal. The Phoenix Force is indestructible, mutable energy. As seen in continuity the firebird avatar can be shattered, dispersed, absorbed and used as fuel and still be completely fine and survive the experience. It is the prime life force. It cannot die. Just transition to different states.

Again. A durability showing is different to a capability showing. You’ve shown here that you don’t comprehend the difference. I’m here for support.

That’s irrelevant. The crystal was retconned to be multiversal during the Age of Apocalypse event in the mid 90’s.

As with all retcons that means we’re to view the crystal as always having been multiversal.

You know this. Stop with the purposeful fallacy. If youre wrong on an issue don’t knowingly post misinterpretations purely to save face. Be a man.

Nope. They were two separate things. She didn’t amputate the Here Comes Tomorrow future by nudging Scott to let go of her. If she did that it would’ve just created a divergent timeline.

Hence why it states on panel that she amputated that future reality and then pages later she goes on to nudge Scott to move on with Emma, hence continuing the 616 timeline.
This couldn’t have been a mistake or misinterpretation. As its not like the two incidents happened on the same page. They are clearly narrated individual actions separated by multiple pages.

Another intentional attempt to spread fallacy.
You have zero integrity or credibility as a debater. Carry on providing evidence in that regard

https://www.cbr.com/avx-commentary-track-hickman-on-4-plus-bonus-features/

"Here we've got a pretty epic confrontation between Thor and the Phoenix. What exactly happens in this scene. Does Thor hit the Phoenix so hard that it needs to stop and refuel?

Yeah, the idea was here's was basically Phoenix versus a god, which, you know, seems like a fair fight. So Thor went and smacked the Phoenix so hard that he knocked the bird out. [Laughs] He thinks he won, but it lands on another planet and then all of a sudden the planet lights up and the Phoenix consumes it. At that point Thor realizes he's screwed, and we realize not even a god can stop it.".

Now you're talking about retcons, huh? And in the age of Apocalypse era, the crystal was merely the gateway for every universe. Not containing the multiverse.

It was done with temporal manipulation, handbooks confirm it.

Here's the link BTW.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not every quantity that exists within a category is the same.

For example Elixir is an omega mutant and Jamie Braddock is an omega mutant. Are they equals in power? 😕

Dominating abstracts within a universe who themselves are just fragments/aspects of said universe does not compare to casually having complete control of all matter and energy within a universe down to its component atoms. To pull that off you at an atomic level would have to be wielding more power than is contained within said universe. To pull it off so casually gives serious implications not just regarding the full capability of The White Phoenix, but that of the Phoenix Force that powers her.

I posted a scan saying and showing that Feron bonded with a portion of the Phoenix and replicated the Whitehouse on all planes of the multiverse. How can you say no it was Necrom?

Either youre trolling or mentally deficient. Seek help.

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That’s quite evident. He had his flaws as a debater but you are the pits 😆

Im glad you recognise that. Just comprehend that there is a difference between a low showing in terms of durability and a capability feat. Having a vulnerable moment in terms of defences doesn’t mean you can ignore capability demonstrated in terms of power output.

These are forum basics. I shouldn’t have to explain this to someone who has been a member for 10years. That’s just embarrassing

Also I said Necrom created the energy matrix which he did. Can't you read anything?