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How am I when its clearly stated in the scans? Its stated he supports the weight of a star. Do you know of any smaller stars that can achieve supernova with less weight? Because if not, it stands period.
Now Last Sun explain where its states density or mass? He has a hydrogen helium core, making him a living star. Prove he has the stellar mass of one (and note the Batman and Terrific examples if you go that way).
It's basically what the comic is saying at this point. Its not head cannon from any of our ends. So Like I said earlier, Last Sun isn't heavy as a star, zero proof of this.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 What a COMPLETE idiot, so by your theory that since he is a star, he has stellar mass (despite there being no indication that he is neither that heavy nor dense), explain this
Batman carries mini red suns in his armor. Now while they are miniaturized, they still need stellar mass to maintain fusion and production of red sun radiation. So Batmans Justice Buster Armor is virtually the strongest on the planet?

You NEVER make any sense, you know its bad when ABHI makes more sense than you

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Actually they said its a star that underwent a supernova. They clearly and explicitly said weight of a star. Smallest stars that are capable of supernova are stated to basically be the Sun's weight.
That's why the Sun's weight is considered.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
How am I when its clearly stated in the scans? Its stated he supports the weight of a star. Do you know of any smaller stars that can achieve supernova with less weight? Because if not, it stands period.
Now Last Sun explain where its states density or mass? He has a hydrogen helium core, making him a living star. Prove he has the stellar mass of one (and note the Batman and Terrific examples if you go that way).
It's basically what the comic is saying at this point. Its not head cannon from any of our ends. So Like I said earlier, Last Sun isn't heavy as a star, zero proof of this.

This is exactly what I mean - the underlined part. That is you attempting to inject RL physics into it, but only for one side, and only certain parts of RL physics. We are talking about a comic where a spear is made from a star and can change mass on a whim according to its user, whilst literal thunder gods and trans-dimensional beings fight aliens - and you want to use RL physics.

Because you want to use it as a Hulk feat.

Way back in 2015 I was already pointing this out to Carv:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not just any suns. Red suns, so larger than the average.

But sure, Proxima Midnight can leap about whilst swinging this stellar spear, and Cage tanked her best blows.

Cage = abstract.

The ONLY proof we have that it was heavy, was because Hulk was struggling with it/was pinned down by it. That's all.

Put it this way. Replace all the star terms with car terms - "All at once, it was a Pontiac and a Chevrolet", whatever. "That is the weight of a car pinning you down right now". You get the drift.

And then take a photo of me struggling under [something] (don't, obviously, show the car lol).

So how big is this car? Without injecting RL "logic" into it, because we are talking about a comic here -you cannot say for certain. You know I am struggling under it, you know it weighs as much as an (unspecified) TYPE of car....

It could be a model car, 100kg. It could be a full sized limo. It could be a wooden model that weighs 120kg - you have ZERO proof whatsoever.

Now, you COULD attempt to use 'logic' - "Oh, DS, you said it was a car, and cars all weigh roughly 1.5 tons!"

But that is silly, because in RL, cars can come in all shapes and sizes and weights. Just like in comics, stars can come in all shapes and sizes and weights. You yourself point this out with Batman, Terrific, Xorn et al.

So IF you want to argue that its analogous to a RL star, whilst ignoring all the other properties that come with that mass (gravitational pull, ground support etc) then you should be consistent.

Or be like Parmaniac, and say both cases are silly and unquantifiable.

Originally posted by Diesldude
asswipe, mini suns. He shrunk them with comic tech. The important word is mini. Do you see the word mini next to the Last Son? So why do you think it’s mass/density is reduced? You’re a complete and utter fool, something you never want to step while out on a walk with your dog.

Originally posted by Diesldude
asswipe, mini suns. He shrunk them with comic tech. The important word is mini. Do you see the word mini next to the Last Son? So why do you think it’s mass/density is reduced? You’re a complete and utter fool, something you never want to step while out on a walk with your dog.

😂 LMAO those mini red suns still have hydrogen and helium cores to emit the red sun radiation. Then should'nt they have stellar mass to affect it? Mini or not.
Or the Artificial Sun. Maybe small, but it still has hydrogen helium in itself to be a sun, so this by your logic since it has a star core, it should have stellar mass.
Do you see what's going on? You are literally proving that your logic has holes in it. I'm stating that unless its directly stated (and in the Hulks state, its LITERALLY stated), the Last Sun DOES NOT have a stellar mass, period. There is no justifying it. No evidence to prove it. No statements saying it has a higher density or mass, just you deep throating Superman's cock again to make it look like he's in Hulks league which he isn't. I know THAT fact hurts you deep down kid

Originally posted by Parmaniac
You also never see the word mass or weight used for Last Sun, yet it's apparently no problem the jump to the conclusion that his weight is stellar even though other aspects certainly don't hold up to that conclusion.

Then one can argue the same for Hulk.

He doesn't sink into the ground despite this 'stellar' weight. Nothing is attracted to him despite the gravitational pull of this weight. I mean, geez, the relative close distance of this stellar weight compared to that between Marvel's Sun and Earth would throw it out of orbit, let alone the sheer tidal effects (hell, the Moon would come crashing into Marvel Earth). The atmosphere on Earth would be ripped away by this.

But we handwave it all away for Hulk. And jump to the conclusion it HAS to be similar to RL red suns etc.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
You also never see the word mass or weight used for Last Sun, yet it's apparently no problem the jump to the conclusion that his weight is stellar even though other aspects certainly don't hold up to that conclusion.

This. The reaching.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
You also never see the word mass or weight used for Last Sun, yet it's apparently no problem the jump to the conclusion that his weight is stellar even though other aspects certainly don't hold up to that conclusion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's he consuming all matter if gravitational pull is not there, troll?

Actually Dark Saints I think recent work in creating black holes 🕳 in science and Galileo dropping two spheres from the leaning tower of Pisa prove that a start is possible within a grand unified theory.

Originally posted by carver9
The comic outright states the Star that was thrown on Hulk is an "all consuming" star. Who is saying this is a small star?

Last Son is also an all-consuming star, no?

Wait, let me do some mental gymnastics. He's here to reclaim all matter - he must be some kind of debt collector, who will come to your house and reclaim your stuff if you fail to make payments.

I mean in the comic Last Son was stated to be a living star. And it also shows us a lot of attributions similar to star.
Hydrogen-helium fusion, Emitting solar energy etc.
So it should be clear the comic wants to show us that the last son is a star with consciousness. Sounds silly? Comics always do. The same goes to Hulk's feat. If we accept it, Then we accept them both.
The comic used some RL "attributions of star" to describe a living star that of course only could exist in comics. It doesnt mean it needs to be completely equal to RL "logic"

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean in the comic Last Son was stated to be a living star. And it also shows us a lot of attributions similar to star.
Hydrogen-helium fusion, Emitting solar energy etc.
So it should be clear the comic wants to show us that the last son is a star with consciousness. Sounds silly? Comics always do. The same goes to Hulk's feat. If we accept it, Then we accept them both.
The comic used some RL "attributions of star" to describe a star. It doesnt mean it needs to be completely equal to RL "logic"

So it said last son is heavy?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
You also never see the word mass or weight used for Last Sun, yet it's apparently no problem the jump to the conclusion that his weight is stellar even though other aspects certainly don't hold up to that conclusion.

Originally posted by carver9
So it said last son is heavy?

Originally posted by carver9
So it said last son is heavy?

Proxima's spear was never said to be heavy, btw 😉

And before you say "it said was the weight of a star", see my post about cars.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 LMAO those mini red suns still have hydrogen and helium cores to emit the red sun radiation. Then should'nt they have stellar mass to affect it? Mini or not.
Or the Artificial Sun. Maybe small, but it still has hydrogen helium in itself to be a sun, so this by your logic since it has a star core, it should have stellar mass.
Do you see what's going on? You are literally proving that your logic has holes in it. I'm stating that unless its directly stated (and in the Hulks state, its LITERALLY stated), the Last Sun DOES NOT have a stellar mass, period. There is no justifying it. No evidence to prove it. No statements saying it has a higher density or mass, just you deep throating Superman's cock again to make it look like he's in Hulks league which he isn't. I know THAT fact hurts you deep down kid

How is saying that we don’t know how Batman’s tech a bad argument? We don’t know how it works or how he shrunk the suns. Or what Is holding them up. They have suits powered by black holes you dummy.

He shrunk red giants. If he’ does that I’m sure he a taken care to shrunk other properties as well or has someway to counter balance them. Or we can take DS that Batman is that strong. Either way, the point is that it’s irrelevant to this argument because tech is involved.

Originally posted by Diesldude
what happens to a star that went supernova? 😂

Trollberto did you not understand the google search results when you searched for this? Let me know and I’ll help you out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is exactly what I mean - the underlined part. That is you attempting to inject RL physics into it, but only for one side, and only certain parts of RL physics. We are talking about a comic where a spear is made from a star and can change mass on a whim according to its user, whilst literal thunder gods and trans-dimensional beings fight aliens - and you want to use RL physics.

Because you want to use it as a Hulk feat.

Way back in 2015 I was already pointing this out to Carv:

The ONLY proof we have that it was heavy, was because Hulk was struggling with it/was pinned down by it. That's all.

Put it this way. Replace all the star terms with car terms - "All at once, it was a Pontiac and a Chevrolet", whatever. "That is the weight of a car pinning you down right now". You get the drift.

And then take a photo of me struggling under [something] (don't, obviously, show the car lol).

[b]So how big is this car? Without injecting RL "logic" into it, because we are talking about a comic here -you cannot say for certain. You know I am struggling under it, you know it weighs as much as an (unspecified) TYPE of car....

It could be a model car, 100kg. It could be a full sized limo. It could be a wooden model that weighs 120kg - you have ZERO proof whatsoever.

Now, you COULD attempt to use 'logic' - "Oh, DS, you said it was a car, and cars all weigh roughly 1.5 tons!"

But that is silly, because in RL, cars can come in all shapes and sizes and weights. Just like in comics, stars can come in all shapes and sizes and weights. You yourself point this out with Batman, Terrific, Xorn et al.

So IF you want to argue that its analogous to a RL star, whilst ignoring all the other properties that come with that mass (gravitational pull, ground support etc) then you should be consistent.

Or be like Parmaniac, and say both cases are silly and unquantifiable. [/B]

None of this made a shred of sense

1. Comic such as Marvel and Dc specifically do inject real world physics with the exception of magic and toon force. If this was not the case the calculation for most of flashes speed feats, the weight of the key to the fortress of solitude (made from dwarf star matter) and many other mentions would not have even been mentioned.

2. The proof is IN the actual feat. The writer literally stated the star that hulk held was a life bringing and destructive supernova before it was taken and given to PM as a spear. That is FACT. The only stars that undergo supernova are Red Giants or Super Red Giants. FACT! That same proceeding star the hulk was holding was said to be the weight of a star. We know it was a red giant before because of what was said. So it would at LEAST weight that much. FACT!

3. Last Son was said to be a living star. Cool, they clearly come in different shapes and sizes. Nuclear fusion creates what could be classed as a star. That does NOT make him the same weight as a stellar star. It’s never mentioned EVER, which is FACT!.

period. It's not up for dispute

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean in the comic Last Son was stated to be a living star. And it also shows us a lot of attributions similar to star.
Hydrogen-helium fusion, Emitting solar energy etc.
So it should be clear the comic wants to show us that the last son is a star with consciousness. Sounds silly? Comics always do. The same goes to Hulk's feat. If we accept it, Then we accept them both.
The comic used some RL "attributions of star" to describe a living star that of course only could exist in comics. It doesnt mean it needs to be completely equal to RL "logic"

The same contributions shown in a nuclear reactor. Doesn’t mean a nuclear reactor contains Stellar Star mass