Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So when PM says:It could easily be 100 tons holding Hulk down? Lmao. Albert, I am absolutely spanking you at this point.
😂 because Corvus and Proxima made sure they read Adventures of Superman 618 before going for the spear.
Just because the Last Sun was proven to not have a stellar weight unless explicitly mentioned, doesn't mean the Hulk didn't carry stellar mass.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 because Corvus and Proxima made sure they read Adventures of Superman 618 before going for the spear.Just because the Last Sun was proven to not have a stellar weight unless explicitly mentioned, doesn't mean the Hulk didn't carry stellar mass.
So please post the scan where it explicitly mentions how much that star weighed 🙂
Because you have completely and utterly proven that in comics, RL stars=/=comic stars.
In RL physics, white dwarves have as much mass as our Sun. You have shown in comics, a white dwarf can be 100 tons (or at least, a fragment).
So....prove that the 'new star/supernova' in PM's spear is equal to their RL counterparts 😂
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And THEY did state 'life giving star and a supernova at the same time'. Thus we go with the lowest weight of a star matching those metrics (because of course, anyone can say the star mentioned weighs 10 time the sun etc...), which makes it easier and logically fair.Nice try though 😂
RL stars=/= comic stars, as the great Albert proved. So you using RL stars to assume PM's spear is wrong, alas.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But its showing your bias.RL stars =/= Comic stars - you yourself have proven this. If I go on wiki, I too can show that in RL, white dwarves are as heavy as our Sun. But as [b]you
show, comic stars ignore this RL physics.So as you said, without an explicit weight/mass given, you can't assume it is stellar mass. [/B]
Actually I didn't.
Lets get some facts straight.
Here Atom EXPLICITLY states the weight of the star Superman is holding.
Infinity Corvus states that Hulk is restrained by the weight of a star. Evidence also shows that said star was a full blown star.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Actually I didn't.
Lets get some facts straight.
Here Atom EXPLICITLY states the weight of the star Superman is holding.
Infinity Corvus states that Hulk is restrained by the weight of a star. Evidence also shows that said star was a full blown star.
The only evidence that it was heavy, was that the Hulk struggled with it. Nothing more.
Other evidence showed ZERO gravitational anomalies. The Earth's atmosphere wasn't destroyed. Hulk didn't even sink into the ground. The Earth wasn't knocked out of its orbit.
Therefore, it wasn't a 'stellar' mass star. It was heavy, but not THAT heavy. It wasn't a full blown star.
As per your logic.
Glad we have debunked Hulk's feat, lmao.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So please post the scan where it explicitly mentions how much that star weighed 🙂Because [b]you
have completely and utterly proven that in comics, RL stars=/=comic stars.In RL physics, white dwarves have as much mass as our Sun. You have shown in comics, a white dwarf can be 100 tons (or at least, a fragment).
So....prove that the 'new star/supernova' in PM's spear is equal to their RL counterparts 😂
RL stars=/= comic stars, as the great Albert proved. So you using RL stars to assume PM's spear is wrong, alas. [/B]
😂 There's proof that at the minimum they're speaking about a star equal to the Sun (minimum mass is fair).
Your statement is under the assumption that since its mentioned in shown Superman scan that the white dawrf held is 100 tons, any star that size weighs the same, which is again wrong. In that instance the white star Superman held is deemed to be 100 tons.
In the Hulk's case, its deemed to be the weight of a star, ergo one stellar mass. While exact weight isn't exactly stated, since its clearly said weight of a star, we can assume (at minimum), the Hulk lifted the weight of a sun:
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilBut the scan you posted doesnt relate to Last Son 🙂 .
But it doesn't. That star weighed 100 tons, that's a canon fact. It didn't state ANY weight for the Last son so why would you assume it had "Stellar" mass when the scan I just posted showed a white dwarf star weighing 100 tons? You're desperate at this point. 😂You've yet to show any references to anything about the mass of a star in relation to something made from a similar recipe with objectively differing facets.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 There's proof that at the minimum they're speaking about a star equal to the Sun (minimum mass is fair).
Your statement is under the assumption that since its mentioned in shown Superman scan that the white dawrf held is 100 tons, any star that size weighs the same, which is again wrong. In that instance the white star Superman held is deemed to be 100 tons.
In the Hulk's case, its deemed to be the weight of a star, ergo one stellar mass. While exact weight isn't exactly stated, since its clearly said weight of a star, we can assume (at minimum), the Hulk lifted the weight of a sun:
Lol, no, you are wrong and you misunderstand me.
I never assumed that every star that size is 100 tons. I am just showing you the conclusions of your arguments.
Your argument hinges on the weight of the comicstar used to weigh Hulk down, as being equal to a real-life star, when you have shown that they are not the same.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But the scan you posted doesnt relate to Last Son 🙂 .
Using your logic. Pulsar Stargrave/Solaris also possessed a neutron star weight and it was stated to be stellar mass
https://imgur.com/2Ou3vLI
https://imgur.com/5LyYuCw
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics-1938/Issue-1-000-000?id=26231#11
So Ive proven you could have small sized stars that still possess stellar mass in dc comics.
But like I said before. It gets us nowhere, Just waste of time.
The comic said Last Son is a star and no more extra information had been given. So by definition, He/it possesses stellar mass because he is a star
Yeah that's the difference, Pulsar was STATED. Keyword: STATED
To have stellar mass, Last SON wasn't. So that's a trash comparison, nowhere did the comic mention any mass/weight of the Last son, All you doing is ASSUMING it should have "stellar" mass despite ZERO evidence of this
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, no, you are wrong and you misunderstand me.I[b] never
assumed that every star that size is 100 tons. I am just showing you the conclusions of your arguments.Your argument hinges on the weight of the comicstar used to weigh Hulk down, as being equal to a real-life star, when you have shown that they are not the same. [/B]
😂 Yeah but said comic star is small and Atom (again) EXPLICITLY states that THAT star is 100 tons in weight.
Hulk feat, Proxima states its a life giving star, and Corvus states that the weight of a star is indeed holding Hulk down. So we can say at minimum that Hulk lifted the weight of a sun like ours.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilAnd he also wasnt stated to be 100 tons.Like I said before your entire white dwarf star argument is moot. Your double standards always surprising me🙂 .
Yeah that's the difference, Pulsar was STATED. Keyword: STATED
To have stellar mass, Last SON wasn't. So that's a trash comparison, nowhere did the comic mention any mass/weight of the Last son, All you doing is ASSUMING it should have "stellar" mass despite ZERO evidence of this
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 Yeah but said comic star is small and Atom (again) EXPLICITLY states that THAT star is 100 tons in weight.
Hulk feat, Proxima states its a life giving star, and Corvus states that the weight of a star is indeed holding Hulk down. So we can say at minimum that Hulk lifted the weight of a sun like ours.
Again, that implies that comic stars = RL stars.
When you have conclusively proven that they don't 😂
It is an inarguable fact that no gravitational anomalies occurred with her spear. Hulk didn't even sink into the ground. So it wasn't a full blown star.
Relying on the statement that it was a 'life-giving star' means nothing, because that relies on RL stars.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again, that implies that comic stars = RL stars.When you have conclusively proven that they don't 😂
It is an inarguable fact that no gravitational anomalies occurred with her spear. Hulk didn't even sink into the ground. So it wasn't a full blown star.
Relying on the statement that it was a 'life-giving star' means nothing, because that relies on RL stars.
I try not to use gravity as an excuse since we have seen that blown away so many time, Defying gravity should be a bloody anti-power at this point.
And again read clearly. Atom stated that HIS white dwarf is 100 tons.
Hulk regard a general star, which is definitely not what Atom had. So stellar mass it is.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And he also wasnt stated to be 100 tons.Like I said before your entire white dwarf star argument is moot. Your double standards always surprising me🙂 .
We only know he is a star. So he possesses stellar mass because HE IS A STAR.
Based on what? Prove he should have "stellar" mass because he's a star, make it good. a "human-star" should be the same as a "star-star" because they share a similar recipe with vastly different physical results. Yeah no, that's not how it works buddy
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Based on what? Prove he should have "stellar" mass because he's a star, make it good.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I try not to use gravity as an excuse since we have seen that blown away so many time, Defying gravity should be a bloody anti-power at this point.And again read clearly. Atom stated that HIS white dwarf is 100 tons.
Hulk regard a general star, which is definitely not what Atom had. So stellar mass it is.
But gravity IS what is being discussed here. This is the whole argument.
If the spear was truly a full blown, generic star, then it would have destroyed Earth.
It didn't. It was only incredibly heavy. How heavy? We don't know. YOU don't know, and can only assume that its = to a RL 'life-giving star'. But its comics.
Assuming it is = to a RL life-giving star means that Marvel Earth would be destroyed.
Go back to my post about cars. Just because I am struggling under its weight, does not mean it is a full sized car. Because cars can come in all shapes and sizes, just like comic book stars.
Xorn was a 'life-giving' star, after all.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Based on basic definitions of words 🙂
"Stellar mass is a phrase that is used by astronomers to describe the mass of a STAR"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_mass
Last son operate the same way as a star due to him being corrupted by them ,but NOTHING states he weighs as much as an actual one or have the same mass.