Originally posted by DarkSaint85Exactly.
So since we are being consistent, as we accept Hulk's feat at face value, we should accept Xorn at face value right?
We absolutely should, because it would mean that Sentry flew a sun into space:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Its blatantly spear sized though. I can see it on panel how large it is.Anything else is pure speculation.
The spear is not a star and there is no star inside of it. It's fictional properties enable it to generate force equalling the weight of a star.
Mjolnir was created using the core of a star. Doesn't mean that it is a core of a star and it doesn't mean that a core of a star is inside of it.
The spear was forged from a star TRAPPED in distorted space. Below it explains the the spear has the power of the trapped star inside of it. Not that it actually is a star or has a star inside of it. Just the power:
From this power, the spear is able to generate energy/force equalling the "weight of a star".
Originally posted by TheHulkster
The spear was forged from a star TRAPPED in distorted space. Below it explains the the spear has the power of the trapped star inside of it. Not that it actually is a star or has a star inside of it. Just the power:From this power, the spear is able to generate energy/force equalling the "weight of a star".
You tell him, Hulkster!
Although, care must be taken with such handbook statements. After all, your very same handbook scan says that she never misses her mark (and she did, her marks being Cap, Shuri and T'Challa) and more importantly, it states Black Dwarf has unbreakable skin.
And it was certainly broken when Ronan split his head like a melon.
A reminder:
https://i.imgur.com/4Zm7fD1.jpg
But we also saw him bleeding after his fight with Black Panther:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/2/26661/3316843-0070939866-newav.jpg
Unbreakable skin indeed 🙂
Just a little reminder why we don't slavishly follow handbooks 😉
My point still is that the size was never given - so your "weight of a star" is pretty meaningless, without a size attached to it.
"Oh, but DS, a star is a star! Look at this chart detailing what the minimum size of a star must be! Comic clearly said the weight of a star! I can go to Google and it will tell me what star masses should be!"
Cool, ok. A star is a star.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
The spear was forged from a star TRAPPED in distorted space. Below it explains the the spear has the power of the trapped star inside of it. Not that it actually is a star or has a star inside of it. Just the power:From this power, the spear is able to generate energy/force equalling the "weight of a star".
Good post.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You tell him, Hulkster!Although, care must be taken with such handbook statements. After all, your very same handbook scan says that she never misses her mark (and she did, her marks being Cap, Shuri and T'Challa) and more importantly, it states Black Dwarf has unbreakable skin.
And it was certainly broken when Ronan split his head like a melon.
A reminder:
https://i.imgur.com/4Zm7fD1.jpgBut we also saw him bleeding after his fight with Black Panther:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/2/26661/3316843-0070939866-newav.jpgUnbreakable skin indeed 🙂
Just a little reminder why we don't slavishly follow handbooks 😉
My point still is that the size was never given - so your "weight of a star" is pretty meaningless, without a size attached to it.
"Oh, but DS, a star is a star! Look at this chart detailing what the minimum size of a star must be! Comic clearly said the weight of a star! I can go to Google and it will tell me what star masses should be!"
Cool, ok. A star is a star.
A star is a star unless it's a 6'3" man or the size of someone's skull. That makes it something significantly out of the norm.
The scan is a single page in one of the actual issues, not from a handbook. And character hype is not the same an explanation of a character's power source, especially when that explanation jibes with what is shown in the story.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Albert, please explain this:Please explain how Hulk didn't sink into the ground, seeing as you are using RL physics. [/B]
1) we know its spear sized, yet it says it's a star forged into a spear via distorted space time. Corvus later confirms the weight of a star itself. Neutron stars are the minimum that qualify for a supernova, which need a weight of 8M. So neutron stars start at 1.4M and go up.
2) By that itself, why arent all the buildings weighing as heavy as aircraft carriers sinking into the ground? To explain, the Hulk is throwing enough force to keep the star up. The ground has to support the Hulks weight.
3) Like mentioned earlier, our nuclear fission reactors are capable of creating stars in their cores. Does their weight suddenly become the weight of one?
And finally, panels show that this is a Kryptonian who got corrupted enough to gain the hydrogen helium make up of a star. Guy ain't even large enough to authenticate him having the weight of one, nor does anyone confirm it. Follow what Superman said "A lìving star, hydrogen and helium", noting that he has the make up of one but that's it.
At this point, unless Snyder himself tells that the Last Sun weighs as heavy as one, it remains that he is a Kryptonian with a hydrogen helium core.
Hulk has no requirement as it's already told on panel that the spear has the weight of a star when made dense and was forged from an actual star.
Originally posted by TheHulkstermass buddy.
A star is a star unless it's a 6'3" man or the size of someone's skull. That makes it something significantly out of the norm.The scan is a single page in one of the actual issues, not from a handbook. And character hype is not the same an explanation of a character's power source, especially when that explanation jibes with what is shown in the story.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
1) we know its spear sized, yet it says it's a star forged into a spear via distorted space time. Corvus later confirms the weight of a star itself. Neutron stars are the minimum that qualify for a supernova, which need a weight of 8M. So neutron stars start at 1.4M and go up.
2) By that itself, why arent all the buildings weighing as heavy as aircraft carriers sinking into the ground? To explain, the Hulk is throwing enough force to keep the star up. The ground has to support the Hulks weight.
3) Like mentioned earlier, our nuclear fission reactors are capable of creating stars in their cores. Does their weight suddenly become the weight of one?
And finally, panels show that this is a Kryptonian who got corrupted enough to gain the hydrogen helium make up of a star. Guy ain't even large enough to authenticate him having the weight of one, nor does anyone confirm it. Follow what Superman said "A lìving star, hydrogen and helium", noting that he has the make up of one but that's it.At this point, unless Snyder himself tells that the Last Sun weighs as heavy as one, it remains that he is a Kryptonian with a hydrogen helium core.
Hulk has no requirement as it's already told on panel that the spear has the weight of a star when made dense and was forged from an actual star.
Apparently the buildings (which are supported by several pillars to distribute the weight) is the same as Hulk lifting a star.
Physics, what's that?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Carver, Enzeru, Hulkster et al, you all seem like reasonable, tenacious debaters.
Do you agree with Albert's post, SPECIFICALLY point 2?
Point 2 does stick out like a sore thumb, because it's overall a weak argument and not how I would have tried to explain it. Albertos comparison can be compared to quicksand. A bird is not going to drown in quicksand. A human will. A hippo will drown even faster. There comes a point, where weight overpowers the surface, even if that surface offers enough pushback for heavy objects such as buildings. Surfaces are tricky overall. You could break your back, if you jumped into water from a high enough distance and landed on your back.
There is no explaining why Hulk didn't sink into the ground. There is only excusing it. I tried it by stating that the energy of the spear was solely focused on Hulk. Holding him down with the weight of a star, instead of putting the weight of a star onto his shoulders – or making him as heavy as a star. Because at that point, he is chilling in the core of the Earth in less than a second.
However... howeeever... Another argument you could make is that, if the energies were truly as heavy as a star, they would have created their own gravity... and kept the Hulk next to the spear, instead of sinking away from it. But that opens up the question why he was kneeling on the ground. And there you can excuse it with Hulk being pushed and pinned to the ground with the spear.
That's how I would have written the entire scene. That's one speech bubble you'd need to explain it properly. Mystical cosmic mumbo-jumbo, but it would have eradicated questions like these.
Yet no one else in the entire battlefield was drawn towards the spear.
This is the point abhi is trying to make. Look at how many hoops we jump through and added excuses we come up with so that Hulk's feat is allowed.
But when it come to Last Son? Oh no. No effort, it's just handwaved away.
This thread was a trap to see who would favour one side over the other.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85This thread was a trap to see who would favour one side over the other.
If I was favoring one side over the other, I would be laughing at that entire DC showing:
A bunch of Kryptonians couldn't collapse a single star, where in Marvel you have heralds doing it with their hands. And then one black hole took care of an amped Kryptonian star, where in Marvel Savage Hulk overpowers black holes with his hands. And that amped Kryptonian star couldn't escape that black hole, even though he had 3 entire seconds, where in Marvel you have heralds crossing galaxies within the blink of an eye.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85The fact that this thread was evidence collecting of obvious double standards yet still went for so long is hilarious.
Yet no one else in the entire battlefield was drawn towards the spear.This is the point abhi is trying to make. Look at how many hoops we jump through and added excuses we come up with so that Hulk's feat is allowed.
But when it come to Last Son? Oh no. No effort, it's just handwaved away.
This thread was a trap to see who would favour one side over the other.
