Better feat

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The comic clearly states he IS a star.

If I have a dog, then by definition, it has....doggy mass. Doggy characteristics.

Because it is a dog.

Questioning it is like questioning Hulk's feat. Comic clearly states it was the weight of a star, but the comic never says how large this star is. You bring in all manner of "science" to theorise and speculate that it's possibly X tons or whatever..... but nowhere does the comic say how big this star is. But you add your speculation that PM refers to a full sized white dwarf or whatever, but don't for Superman.

Ultimately, it becomes circular logic.

The spear is heavy because Hulk is struggling with it. Hulk is strong because he is lifting something heavy. It's heavy because he struggles with it.

That's bias.

What? a chihuahua is not a St Bernard. But they are both dogs. A mouse is not an elephant but they are both mammals. The comparison you’re making is unbalanced. You can have many different shapes and forms of stars. Doesn’t make them the same. A white dwarf has million of millions of times less mass then our own standard star. Doesn’t make them the same

Last Sun is simply stated to be having the same core that stars have. We have nuclear fusion reactors that create mini stars, YET those stars aren't close to continent level heavy.
Superman stated he is a living star BECAUSE of his hydrogen helium core makeup. NOTHING to suggest he even has the weight of one.

Stars can have the same cores and working, yet weight different. The Last Sun has the core and workings of a star, so he can be called one. That DOESN'T mean he has its weight. At best he has a Kryptonians weoght, period. Stop making shit up

He's also stated to be a living star. Period.

😂 Me stating to have a brick doesn’t mean its a house being a living star is great. But in no way can that compare to a stellar star.

I can call a chihuahua a dog, YET it wont even weight as heavy as a common house dog. Last Sun may operate like a star, that DOESN'T mean he has a weight of one. I mean I can call someone an elephant when they act like one. DOESN'T mean they all of a sudden get its weight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The comic clearly states he IS a star.

If I have a dog, then by definition, it has....doggy mass. Doggy characteristics.

Because it is a dog.

Questioning it is like questioning Hulk's feat. Comic clearly states it was the weight of a star, but the comic never says how large this star is. You bring in all manner of "science" to theorise and speculate that it's possibly X tons or whatever..... but nowhere does the comic say how big this star is. But you add your speculation that PM refers to a full sized white dwarf or whatever, but don't for Superman.

That's bias.

To take up your example you see the smallest dog on earth and claim it has the weight of the biggest one, while nothing points to that, his size is to small, plus several aspects that don't add up for the star dog comparison.

Lmao a brick isn't a house.

You are trying so hard, but only on one side. Which shows you're biased.

Nowhere does the comic state how large the star in PM's spear is.

Yet you don't seem to question that.

THAT'S why this thread was created, to see how and who was biased on the forum.

Me, personally? I say we accept both feats, as illogical as they are. Comic science makes no sense, but we accept it.

Why wasn't the ground beneath Hulk destroyed?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
The thing is, nothing is stated about his weight and if you use real world physics to say shit like "You need at least X mass to become a star" but at the same time ignore all other aspects that simply do not hold up to an actual real life star you cannot just assume it's weight based on real life physics. He is a star, stars are made out of hydrogen and helium, now let's take a look at his size. Human size. DC has a hard on throwing out nonsensical numbers non stop, NOTHING about his weight is stated nor is anything shown that would lead to the conclusion that every part of him relates to real world stars (yellow radiation isn't emitted that's amping kryptonians, no gravitational pull, he's not collapsing into a black hole himself, which he should being so heavy and so small at the same time, nothing) The comic does not indicate anything in regards of his weight (statement or on panel interactions) yet it's no big deal to use real world physics to conclude that and when asked about the other aspects that should apply aswell, you get answers like "doesn't matter it's comics".

To take up your example you see the smallest dog on earth and claim it has the weight of the biggest one, while nothing points to that, his size is to small, plus several aspects that don't add up for the star dog comparison.

Except they state several times he's emitting solar radiation. It's what's killing Clark. So he's got that characteristic down, if you're quibbling.

Plus, you forgot Density = Mass/Volume.

Volume is human level, Mass is stellar (say).....so density can be sky high if needed.

The thread is to see those who accepted Hulk's feat, if they would accept Superman's feat. If you want to throw both out, that's fine. If you want to accept both, that's also fine.

h1Pa8maniac vs. Genghis Saint

The forum will be drowned in our blood.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao a brick isn't a house.

You are trying so hard, but only on one side. Which shows you're biased.

Nowhere does the comic state how large the star in PM's spear is.

Yet you don't seem to question that.

THAT'S why this thread was created, to see how and who was biased on the forum.

Me, personally? I say we accept both feats, as illogical as they are. Comic science makes no sense, but we accept it.

Why wasn't the ground beneath Hulk destroyed?

1) Hulk was supporting the weight of it. With a force stopping it from reaching the ground, and him lifting it, its BASIC force balancing.

2) ACTUALLY the comic does state that the spear is an "a life giving star and a raging supernova at the same time". Corvus also said that it's the WEIGHT of a star, and our sun falls at the low end of discovered stars. I mean one can even push it and give the weight of a supernova, the minimum of which is 5 × stellar masses.

the brick/house thing was not meant to be taken seriously, But the comic said it was a supernova and a life bringing star when Thanos plucked it from its dimension to make into a spear. The end of a stars life span. ALL mentioned in the comic, We know it was a stellar star. Your comparing this to someone saying Last Son is a living star. That's ****ing laughable

We can agree that he is current a living star but that doesn’t make him comparable to a stellar stars mass. We have literal EVIDENCE and confirmation that the star used to make the spear was a stellar star. That's the difference

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
h1Pa8maniac vs. Genghis Saint

The forum will be drowned in our blood.

1) Hulk was supporting the weight of it. With a force stopping it from reaching the ground, and him lifting it, its BASIC force balancing.

2) ACTUALLY the comic does state that the spear is an "a life giving star and a raging supernova at the same time". Corvus also said that it's the WEIGHT of a star, and our sun falls at the low end of discovered stars. I mean one can even push it and give the weight of a supernova, the minimum of which is 5 × stellar masses.

No. Way. No way can you be this silly, lol.
1. What do you think his legs are being supported by?
2.Sure, it states all that. Doesn't state their size, though. Xorn has been stated to have a black hole in his head - how heavy is that? Batman has collected dozens of red suns and shrunk them to microscopic size - is he stronger than Hulk? No.

Corvus EXPLAINS that THE spear has the weight of the star (which Proxima also backs when she states that a denser net is required). It also states it's made from a star. Here Superman states the Last Sun is a living star as he has a hydrogen helium core. and If you look above I MENTIONED nucealr fusion reactors capable of the same thing, yet no similar weight. It's not in any way shape or form "similar"

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Corvus EXPLAINS that THE spear has the weight of the star (which Proxima also backs when she states that a denser net is required). It also states it's made from a star. Here Superman states the Last Sun is a living star as he has a hydrogen helium core. and If you look above I MENTIONED nucealr fusion reactors capable of the same thing, yet no similar weight. It's not in any way shape or form "similar"

Weight of A star, sure. How big was that star? Give proof. And not star charts or whatever, we are being consistent with our questioning of both feats.

I mean, it had to be tiny in order to fit inside the spear, that much we know.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

No. Way. No way can you be this silly, lol.
1. What do you think his legs are being supported by?
2.Sure, it states all that. Doesn't state their size, though. Xorn has been stated to have a black hole in his head - how heavy is that? Batman has collected dozens of red suns and shrunk them to microscopic size - is he stronger than Hulk? No. [/B]

there are scientific papers out there’s that have stated you can create a black hole from a single Atom. Many theories behind miniature black holes. But that’s incomparable to a stellar black hole.
How exactly does comparing batman collecting by shrinking them at all rival hulk holding the weight of a star? Again another comparison that doesn’t make sense.

You said Batman has collected minitaurized red suns. He also put them in his Justice Buster armor. But SHOULDN'T they weigh as heavy as one? Because we CLEARLY know that it doesn't in this case:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except they state several times he's emitting solar radiation.

A better example to compare these things is the following:

We have Flash, a speedster, we see him running and it's actually stated that he's running 1000x speed of light. Even though on panel we don't get destruction that would be caused by that speed, we have the speedforce to explain the lack of it. (so we have both statement + explanation)

Now I have some random other speedster, he is stated to be a speddster, he starts running, nothing is mentioned about his speed or a connection to the speedforce, do we conclude that he is running 1000X speed of light because he is a speedster and has a connection to the speedforce to make up for lack on panel destruction? I guess not. Because nothing indicates that expect that he is a speedster and from that we draw the conclusion that rest also applies.

That comparison also isn't a perfect example granted, but it does a better job at showing my problem here.

And I'm not here to wank on Marvel or defend Hulk I said that in my very first post here, Abhi clearly made this thread because of our discussion in the other thread, maybe triggered by the usual suspects that want to lowball which isn't my intend in any way.

The facts are literally there. The star underwent supernova. You can go into google right now and type in what part of its life span does a star undergo supernova.
All of this information is present.
If you’re question the fact that the spear though literally stated to have underwent supernova as a star and weigh as much as a stellar star you might as well be questioning many different comic angles like how can Monarch contain the energy of 2 big bangs at his size?
Theoretically, considering that the spear was created by Thanos and he’s deemed as one of the most intelligent beings in marvel the size of the spear shouldn’t even matter. At this point you’re looking at it with limited human based knowledge. But that aside, confirmation >> speculation.

At the end of the day the spear was stated to weigh that of a stellar star and that it had undergone supernova. Last Son is simply a living star, that's all. We’ve already talked about how stars are made.