Better feat

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The comic clearly states he IS a star.

If I have a dog, then by definition, it has....doggy mass. Doggy characteristics.

Because it is a dog.

Questioning it is like questioning Hulk's feat. Comic clearly states it was the weight of a star, but the comic never says how large this star is. You bring in all manner of "science" to theorise and speculate that it's possibly X tons or whatever..... but nowhere does the comic say how big this star is. But you add your speculation that PM refers to a full sized white dwarf or whatever, but don't for Superman.

Ultimately, it becomes circular logic.

The spear is heavy because Hulk is struggling with it. Hulk is strong because he is lifting something heavy. It's heavy because he struggles with it.

That's bias.

If your dog looked like a human, you wouldn't call it a dog.

Now why the Hulk? BECAUSE the nature of the spear, ASwell as Proxima stating the requirement of a denser net, It MENTIONS here that it was a star forged in distorted space time in order to create the spear:

for star weight, the smallest recorded weights of stars, barring our sun, are neutron stars. Their average weight is 1.4M (where M is the weight of our sun).
And if we consider the minimal weight of a supernova, the result (again for the smallest which are Neutron stars) are at minimum 8-10M. Virtually the weight of 8 suns at worst.

Corvus confirms its the weight of a star. However since it states its a life giving star and a supernova at the same time (thus a weight range between 1-8 M), I prefer going by the minimum of 1M.:

But the comic doesn't state it's size.

You're just speculating that it would have the same mass as a full size star because Hulk is struggling with it.

Xorn has a black hole in his head. How heavy does his head weigh? I can go to Google and type in how much it weighs, does that make it so?

I mean, Do you know of a smaller star that is capable of going supernova? Because last I checked, you need to be a neutron star at minimum to have a chance at supernova. And neutron stars on average way 1.4M. Our sun is actually on the lower end of the star range.

Also, look up micro black hole. You’ll then realise that black holes can come in various sizes too

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I mean, Do you know of a smaller star that is capable of going supernova? Because last I checked, you need to be a neutron star at minimum to have a chance at supernova. And neutron stars on average way 1.4M. Our sun is actually on the lower end of the star range.

But again, you are theorising and speculating, but only to support your stance.

Then switching when it suits you.

But please, explain once more to me how Marvel Earth can support stellar weight lol.

So why can't the star in her spear be microscopic?

The star is the spear. “Took it from its maker and gave it to me”

I can’t be speculating fact that’s been presented too you in the actual comic pages.
Literally states so here, The spear is forged from a sun in distorted space time. A life giving star and a supernova. To my knowledge, supernova's cant be minitaurized, as they require a weight of 8M to achieve that

In regards to the Shen Xorn thing. Literally, the only way he could have a black hole in his head without it being the size of a star is if it was micros in size. Science has ofcourse done research on micro black holes. That doesn’t necessarily mean the black holes are ‘microscopic’ it means they are small

The comic outright states the Star that was thrown on Hulk is an "all consuming" star. Who is saying this is a small star?

All consuming doesn't give any indication of its size.

@Albert you are right, the comic clearly shows that it's a spear sized star.

So not that big at all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But the comic doesn't state it's size.

You're just speculating that it would have the same mass as a full size star because Hulk is struggling with it.

Xorn has a black hole in his head. How heavy does his head weigh? I can go to Google and type in how much it weighs, does that make it so?

Xorn has a Sun in his head that he is able to collapse into a black hole. He actually refers to himself as a Sun.

https://ibb.co/Dkht0B7

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Xorn has a Sun in his head that he is able to collapse into a black hole. He actually refers to himself as a Sun.

https://ibb.co/Dkht0B7

Exactly.

So since we are being consistent, as we accept Hulk's feat at face value, we should accept Xorn at face value right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly.

So since we are being consistent, as we accept Hulk's feat at face value, we should accept Xorn at face value right?

Shen Xorn is different to Xorn. Xorn has a star in his head. Shen Xorn has a black hole.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All consuming doesn't give any indication of its size.

@Albert you are right, the comic clearly shows that it's a spear sized star.

So not that big at all.

What? it went supernova. for probably the 10th time, look up when a star goes supernova. The fact that it went supernova is an indication of what it’s size was. The hulk didn't hold a new supernova but a star produced by the supernova.

literally this entire thread your points have not actually made a shred of sense. at the end of the day the literal facts and confirmation is in the hulk feat. In the Last Son feat it only states he’s a living star. Which could realistically be any size

Its blatantly spear sized though. I can see it on panel how large it is.

Anything else is pure speculation.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

But please, explain once more to me how Marvel Earth can support stellar weight lol.

Albert, please explain this:

1) Hulk was supporting the weight of it. With a force stopping it from reaching the ground, and him lifting it, its BASIC force balancing.

Please explain how Hulk didn't sink into the ground, seeing as you are using RL physics.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Why isn't it amping kryptonians then?

A better example to compare these things is the following:

We have Flash, a speedster, we see him running and it's actually stated that he's running 1000x speed of light. Even though on panel we don't get destruction that would be caused by that speed, we have the speedforce to explain the lack of it. (so we have both statement + explanation)

Now I have some random other speedster, he is stated to be a speddster, he starts running, nothing is mentioned about his speed or a connection to the speedforce, do we conclude that he is running 1000X speed of light because he is a speedster and has a connection to the speedforce to make up for lack on panel destruction? I guess not. Because nothing indicates that expect that he is a speedster and from that we draw the conclusion that rest also applies.

That comparison also isn't a perfect example granted, but it does a better job at showing my problem here.

And I'm not here to wank on Marvel or defend Hulk I said that in my very first post here, Abhi clearly made this thread because of our discussion in the other thread, maybe triggered by the usual suspects that want to lowball which isn't my intend in any way.

He can...control his output? I mean, we can go into all sorts of headcanon if we want. Like why Cap Atom doesn't give everyone cancer (or Spidey, for that matter 😉 - and I am talking canon comics lol). Or how does Batman do all that he does, whilst being a human? How does Invisible Woman see? What does gene mutations have to do with controlling the weather?

But the comic clearly stated he was radiating solar radiation (yet more indication he was a star). And it was contributing to Clark dying. Hell, maybe it WAS amping the Kryptonians a bit, we don't know. All that is speculation.

We know he was a star, he emitted solar radiation, and had the chemical makeup of one. Does it 100% mean he was as heavy as a star?

Well, that's where this thread comes in. If we are accepting Hulk at face value, well....

Nah, Abhi made this thread because of Hulk, pure and simple. And you can see the people defending it like their lives depended on it - which is fine, but to not do the same for the Superman feat because reasons, is bias.