It's often hard to accurately gauge stamina due to the nature of film editing and jump cuts, but it's worth noting that Cap has in multiple instances gone through long, varying action sequences without showing any real signs of fatigue. Though the best concrete example we have is from CA:TWS, thanks to dialogue from Falcon, where Steve ran half an hour straight at an average of 26mph without showing any notable signs of exhaustion. Now, sprinting and fighting are obviously two different things, but it's still impressive if you consider Usain Bolt at his fastest recorded (which is only for 20m of the full 100m dash, between the 60m and 80m marks) clocked 27.78mph. Cap maintained a slightly slower speed for 13 miles and wasn't even tired afterwards.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerBut that doesn't help us discover his stamina towards fighting one bit. I think your goal was to show that he has superhuman stamina (which we all know from the 1st movie). And it might seem you are slickly trying to prove that he has infinite stamina with bad no limit logic. Rather, the best concrete scenes are where Cap appeared somewhat fatigued while fighting (even if it is slightly) to properly gauge his fighting stamina.
It's often hard to accurately gauge stamina due to the nature of film editing and jump cuts, but it's worth noting that Cap has in multiple instances gone through long, varying action sequences without showing any real signs of fatigue. Though the best concrete example we have is from CA:TWS, thanks to dialogue from Falcon, where Steve ran half an hour straight at an average of 26mph without showing any notable signs of exhaustion. Now, sprinting and fighting are obviously two different things, but it's still impressive if you consider Usain Bolt at his fastest recorded (which is only for 20m of the full 100m dash, between the 60m and 80m marks) clocked 27.78mph. Cap maintained a slightly slower speed for 13 miles and wasn't even tired afterwards.
When I was in the best shape of my life playing division 1 baseball, I could run over 20mph for 90ft without being tired at all. Does that mean I can fight all day or have unlimited stamina?
Hell, I could average 10mph for 4 miles (about a 24 min run) or more without being visible tired at the end. But in a fight (especially wrestling) Ill be tired a hell of a lot quicker lol.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHow did I troll?
Quit trolling h1a8.Nobodys claiming Cap has UNLIMITED Stamina. But its clear he has exceptional and superhuman stamina.
I'm pretty sure there is at least a scene or two that shows Cap being slightly fatigued after a fight. If not then this thread is over since it would be impossible to determine how many borgs Cap can beat before tiring. Any post should contribute to helping us find that answer. Not flaunt around the fact that Cap has superhuman stamina while erroneously hinting that Cap may have infinite stamina.
Originally posted by KingD19I punched someone boxing and koed them and wasn’t tired afterwards. Do I have unlimited stamina? Does what you say prove that Cap has unlimited stamina? No you say? Then stfu and stop posting irrelevant things that doesnt get us closer to the answer.
He wasn't fatigued after taking down 12-13 men with cattle prods in an elevator. He wasn't tired after the airport fight. He wasn't tired after running 30+mph down a highway. Wasn't tired after fighting Ultron. Wasnt tired after fighting Bucky. I can do this all day.
A little searching I found two scenes that show fatigue. One Cap is slightly fatigued and another Cap is moderately fatigued (he can still fight for a while longer though).
I can post at least one of the scenes if anyone wants. Or just do your own research and you should find some too (probably different than the ones I found).
Originally posted by h1a8
How did I troll?
If you are not smart enough to understand the reason why he posted that then that's a shame. His post didnt help get us closer to the answer at all.I'm pretty sure there is at least a scene or two that shows Cap being slightly fatigued after a fight. If not then this thread is over since it would be impossible to determine how many borgs Cap can beat before tiring. Any post should contribute to helping us find that answer. Not flaunt around the fact that Cap has superhuman stamina while erroneously hinting that Cap may have infinite stamina.
I punched someone boxing and koed them and wasn’t tired afterwards. Do I have unlimited stamina? Does what you say prove that Cap has unlimited stamina? No you say? Then stfu and stop posting irrelevant things that doesnt get us closer to the answer.
You know how you trolled. Your trolling methods don't differ much from one another.
And usually no one would be tired after a one-hit KO, which is what your statement makes it sound like. "I punched someone boxing and ko'd them." Not, "after however many rounds and a hard fight, a clean shot to the chin ko'd my opponent." That makes it seem like you actually put in effort to get tired in the first place.
Also, as Thor pointed out, no one said Cap has infinite stamina, but we know he has a helluva lot of it. And all Vault did was prove that point showing he ran 26mph for 13 miles without even breaking a sweat. It's funny you're telling me to stfu when the entire board has been telling you that for years and your dumbass just doesn't listen because as per your trolling, no one's opinion matters to you but your own.
Also what I posted does get us closer to the answer. It proves Cap can do extremely strenuous things, including fighting vastly superior opponents or outspeeding cars, only to not be tired afterward. So for him to get tired he'd have to do stuff more exhausting than that.
💃 Get good, scrub.
Originally posted by h1a8
But that doesn't help us discover his stamina towards fighting one bit. I think your goal was to show that he has superhuman stamina (which we all know from the 1st movie). And it might seem you are slickly trying to prove that he has infinite stamina with bad no limit logic. Rather, the best concrete scenes are where Cap appeared somewhat fatigued while fighting (even if it is slightly) to properly gauge his fighting stamina.When I was in the best shape of my life playing division 1 baseball, I could run over 20mph for 90ft without being tired at all. Does that mean I can fight all day or have unlimited stamina?
Hell, I could average 10mph for 4 miles (about a 24 min run) or more without being visible tired at the end. But in a fight (especially wrestling) Ill be tired a hell of a lot quicker lol.
At no point did I state, hint or imply that Cap has infinite stamina. Of course he doesn't. Nor did I say he can fight all day. I simply brought up that example because it's the most concrete example of his stamina we have onscreen without the need for speculation and assumptions, seeing as Falcon clearly states how far he ran and over how long he did so. I even acknowledged that sprinting and fighting are not the same thing. Nice attempt at trying to strawman my position and twisting a simple observation into something sinister though. It's exactly because of this kind of behaviour that I normally don't respond to your posts.
Originally posted by KingD19
You know how you trolled. Your trolling methods don't differ much from one another.And usually no one would be tired after a one-hit KO, which is what your statement makes it sound like. "I punched someone boxing and ko'd them." Not, "after however many rounds and a hard fight, a clean shot to the chin ko'd my opponent." That makes it seem like you actually put in effort to get tired in the first place.
Also, as Thor pointed out, no one said Cap has infinite stamina, but we know he has a helluva lot of it. And all Vault did was prove that point showing he ran 26mph for 13 miles without even breaking a sweat. It's funny you're telling me to stfu when the entire board has been telling you that for years and your dumbass just doesn't listen because as per your trolling, no one's opinion matters to you but your own.
Also what I posted does get us closer to the answer. It proves Cap can do extremely strenuous things, including fighting vastly superior opponents or outspeeding cars, only to not be tired afterward. So for him to get tired he'd have to do stuff more exhausting than that.
💃 Get good, scrub.
Pretty much this. He often goes on about wanting people to prove or quantify things, so I thought bringing up something easily quantifiable was worth a mention. The only person who has made any comments about Cap having "infinite" or "unlimited" stamina is him. But he's often tried to attribute ill intent to my posts where there is none, so I am used to it.
Anyway, in terms of Borg durability, Data was apparently able to destroy a Borg drone with his bare hands. Data is crazy strong though as he's been able to do things like bend a bar of parsteel, which is supposed to be something like ten times tougher than common real-world steel.
Now before H1 accuses me of claiming it takes that much strength to destroy a Borg simply because I didn't specify that it doesn't, no, I don't think it took the upper limits of Data's strength to achieve the Borg destroying feat (just like I DO NOT believe that Cap can run/fight infinitely), but at least it does give us an upper limit baseline from where to work back from.
It does give me an idea for a possible thread though. Data arm wrestling Alara from The Orville.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
At no point did I state, hint or imply that Cap has infinite stamina. Of course he doesn't. Nor did I say he can fight all day. I simply brought up that example because it's the most concrete example of his stamina we have onscreen without the need for speculation and assumptions, seeing as Falcon clearly states how far he ran and over how long he did so. I even acknowledged that sprinting and fighting are not the same thing. Nice attempt at trying to strawman my position and twisting a simple observation into something sinister though. It's exactly because of this kind of behaviour that I normally don't respond to your posts.
You were implying a no limits fallacy. No need to lie about it now.
Otherwise, if you believe Cap doesn't have unlimited stamina then how does your post help us try to find about how many borgs Cap can take out? It was a waste of post. Rather you should post stuff that gives evidence to a limit (Cap showing slight fatigue after fighting in some scenes is a better example to use).
Originally posted by KingD19
You know how you trolled. Your trolling methods don't differ much from one another.And usually no one would be tired after a one-hit KO, which is what your statement makes it sound like. "I punched someone boxing and ko'd them." Not, "after however many rounds and a hard fight, a clean shot to the chin ko'd my opponent." That makes it seem like you actually put in effort to get tired in the first place.
Also, as Thor pointed out, no one said Cap has infinite stamina, but we know he has a helluva lot of it. And all Vault did was prove that point showing he ran 26mph for 13 miles without even breaking a sweat. It's funny you're telling me to stfu when the entire board has been telling you that for years and your dumbass just doesn't listen because as per your trolling, no one's opinion matters to you but your own.
Also what I posted does get us closer to the answer. It proves Cap can do extremely strenuous things, including fighting vastly superior opponents or outspeeding cars, only to not be tired afterward. So for him to get tired he'd have to do stuff more exhausting than that.
💃 Get good, scrub.
You missed both points.
First, implying that Cap has infinite stamina based off a task completed without being fatigued is faulty. I gave a counter example. I did a task and wasn't fatigued. Therefore, by the same logic I should have infinite stamina.
Second, The point of the thread is to find out how many borgs Cap can take down before he gets too tired. Posting information on how Cap has superhuman stamina and also implying that he will never get tired is both faulty and non helpful in getting us closer to the answer.
You are an idiot to believe someone has to say something directly in order to mean a message. Think of the reason why something is posted. Vault specifically said Cap wasn't tired after all that. What does that imply? If it implies that Cap has superhuman stamina (but not infinite) then you must admit his post is still trolling since it adds nothing to the discussion.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Anyway, in terms of Borg durability, Data was apparently able to destroy a Borg drone with his bare hands. Data is crazy strong though as he's been able to do things like bend a bar of parsteel, which is supposed to be something like ten times tougher than common real-world steel.Now before H1 accuses me of claiming it takes that much strength to destroy a Borg simply because I didn't specify that it doesn't, no, I don't think it took the upper limits of Data's strength to achieve the Borg destroying feat (just like I DO NOT believe that Cap can run/fight infinitely), but at least it does give us an upper limit baseline from where to work back from.
It does give me an idea for a possible thread though. Data arm wrestling Alara from The Orville.
Tbh I claimed the borg have human level durability. If they are more durable than humans then I am mistaken.
I assumed Cap is fighting a bunch of human slow fodder and this thread is really about stamina. So scenes where Cap actually gets tired (even a little) are good to use in order to gauge how many he can defeat.