How many Borg (Star Trek) can Captain America take on at once?

Originally posted by h1a8
You were implying a no limits fallacy. No need to lie about it now.
Otherwise, if you believe Cap doesn't have unlimited stamina then how does your post help us try to find about how many borgs Cap can take out? It was a waste of post. Rather you should post stuff that gives evidence to a limit (Cap showing slight fatigue after fighting in some scenes is a better example to use).

Nope. You're just massively biased against me, as you've been since the very beginning of our interactions in this forum. You have a history mis-attributing the opinions and statements of others to me, misrepresenting my actual statements or outright claiming I said things I never did. If you weren't so biased, you'd be able to see the point of my post instead of imagining what you want it to be. It was to show in clear terms that do not require speculation or assumptions that Steve can perform feats to a similar level of peak human athletes for a much longer period of time (13 miles versus 20 meters). To show that his superhuman stamina vastly outclasses that of regular or even peak human individuals, not to claim that he can do things indefinitely.

You're also a hypocrite. Whenever people accuse you of lying you demand they prove that you were doing so, yet you happily throw around accusations of lying at others whenever it suits you, based solely on your personal interpretation of the content of their posts, even adding in things they never said. And you do this all the time. Which, like I said, is why I normally ignore your posts, something I am going to go back to doing. So, you're going to have to find someone else to falsely accuse of things from this point on.

Originally posted by h1a8
You were implying a no limits fallacy. No need to lie about it now.
Otherwise, if you believe Cap doesn't have unlimited stamina then how does your post help us try to find about how many borgs Cap can take out? It was a waste of post. Rather you should post stuff that gives evidence to a limit (Cap showing slight fatigue after fighting in some scenes is a better example to use).

You missed both points.
First, implying that Cap has infinite stamina based off a task completed without being fatigued is faulty. I gave a counter example. I did a task and wasn't fatigued. Therefore, by the same logic I should have infinite stamina.

Second, The point of the thread is to find out how many borgs Cap can take down before he gets too tired. Posting information on how Cap has superhuman stamina and also implying that he will never get tired is both faulty and non helpful in getting us closer to the answer.

You are an idiot to believe someone has to say something directly in order to mean a message. Think of the reason why something is posted. Vault specifically said Cap wasn't tired after all that. What does that imply? If it implies that Cap has superhuman stamina (but not infinite) then you must admit his post is still trolling since it adds nothing to the discussion.

You're just blatantly lying and twisting words now. Again, Vault never said Cap had infinite stamina. Not once. Him using examples you don't like doesn't mean he said that, it means you're making shit up like you always do, liar.

I didn't miss any points, as you don't make points, not good ones anyway. I never said Cap had infinite stamina either. Go quote where I did and I'll give you a cookie, but you can't because you're lying like you always do.

You also twisted what I said. You said you punched someone and knocked them out. You didn't say you were in a fight, didn't say how many rounds, etc... You did a single action that wouldn't fatigue anyone. Pointing out just how insane his stamina is can only help us find the truth as if we know that he can do X amount of things for X amount of time without getting tired, then doing Y for Y amount of time would be easy, etc... But you have to apply logic to things like that, which you are clearly incapable of.

You don't get to assume implications and call someone a liar because of your misinterpretation. That's f*cking stupid, like you're acting. You take what they actually said, and that's what you go off. And what he said was that Cap wasn't tired after running 13 miles at 26mph. Does that mean he has infinite stamina? No, but it means he has a pretty deep pool.

Anyway, it's a super high number since Borg are human level statwise and walk like senior citizens.

The Borg physicals are actually hard to gauge. I've been looking at some examples and they're all over the place. Some instances depict them with enhanced toughness and strength while others have them behave like geriatrics after hip surgery, so it's hard to find a middleground to work from. We need a proper Star Trek expert here, which I'm certainly not, who can give us a better, more consistent reference point for them.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The Borg physicals are actually hard to gauge. I've been looking at some examples and they're all over the place. Some instances depict them with enhanced toughness and strength while others have them behave like geriatrics after hip surgery, so it's hard to find a middleground to work from. We need a proper Star Trek expert here, which I'm certainly not, who can give us a better, more consistent reference point for them.

Just ask H1, despite never having watched the show he will be able to answer your question. What he'll do is Google their feats. Pick what he thinks are the best ones and then massively exaggerate them and make up a bunch of BS numbers

Originally posted by Silent Master
Just ask H1, despite never having watched the show he will be able to answer your question. What he'll do is Google their feats. Pick what he thinks are the best ones and then massively exaggerate them and make up a bunch of BS numbers

You are so smart.

Originally posted by KingD19
You're just blatantly lying and twisting words now. Again, Vault never said Cap had infinite stamina. Not once. Him using examples you don't like doesn't mean he said that, it means you're making shit up like you always do, liar.

I didn't miss any points, as you don't make points, not good ones anyway. I never said Cap had infinite stamina either. Go quote where I did and I'll give you a cookie, but you can't because you're lying like you always do.

You also twisted what I said. You said you punched someone and knocked them out. You didn't say you were in a fight, didn't say how many rounds, etc... You did a single action that wouldn't fatigue anyone. Pointing out just how insane his stamina is can only help us find the truth as if we know that he can do X amount of things for X amount of time without getting tired, then doing Y for Y amount of time would be easy, etc... But you have to apply logic to things like that, which you are clearly incapable of.

You don't get to assume implications and call someone a liar because of your misinterpretation. That's f*cking stupid, like you're acting. You take what they actually said, and that's what you go off. And what he said was that Cap wasn't tired after running 13 miles at 26mph. Does that mean he has infinite stamina? No, but it means he has a pretty deep pool.

Anyway, it's a super high number since Borg are human level statwise and walk like senior citizens.

You know we are arguing two things right?
Let's be more organized.
Here's the first argument.
Performing a superhuman certain amount (finite) of tasks = unlimited stamina
Is logically equivalent to
Performing a single action = unlimited stamina

Here's the second argument.
A person doesn't have to state something literally to mean something.
That's fallacy #1
I gave evidence of why his post meant what I said. If you disagree then kindly explain (with evidence) the exact reasoning behind his post.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Nope. You're just massively biased against me, as you've been since the very beginning of our interactions in this forum. You have a history mis-attributing the opinions and statements of others to me, misrepresenting my actual statements or outright claiming I said things I never did. If you weren't so biased, you'd be able to see the point of my post instead of imagining what you want it to be. It was to show in clear terms that do not require speculation or assumptions that Steve can perform feats to a similar level of peak human athletes for a much longer period of time (13 miles versus 20 meters). To show that his superhuman stamina vastly outclasses that of regular or even peak human individuals, not to claim that he can do things indefinitely.

You're also a hypocrite. Whenever people accuse you of lying you demand they prove that you were doing so, yet you happily throw around accusations of lying at others whenever it suits you, based solely on your personal interpretation of the content of their posts, even adding in things they never said. And you do this all the time. Which, like I said, is why I normally ignore your posts, something I am going to go back to doing. So, you're going to have to find someone else to falsely accuse of things from this point on.

What is the purpose of proving that Cap has superhuman stamina when we all know this? You didn't show a limit which is what we need in a thread like this. Did you want to show off Caps feats (wank him) for all to see how magnificent he is? You do know that your post doesn't contribute to helping us get an estimated range of how many borgs right? So again, what was the purpose, if it wasn't to show Cap can take out borgs indefinitely?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The Borg physicals are actually hard to gauge. I've been looking at some examples and they're all over the place. Some instances depict them with enhanced toughness and strength while others have them behave like geriatrics after hip surgery, so it's hard to find a middleground to work from. We need a proper Star Trek expert here, which I'm certainly not, who can give us a better, more consistent reference point for them.

I would suggest asking PR, he seems to know quiet a bit about Star Trek, maybe Darth Thor aswell? All I've seen of the Borg is that they are either reasonably fast or very slow. To me the question is whether they can get their hands on Cap and how long they need to maintain contact for the injection of nanobots to take effect.

Didn't think of the nanobot injections.
It's probably best we average them some kind of way (since the are extremely variable).
Maybe halfway in durability from human to Cap? Or just human level durability? Maybe 1/10 to 1/4 as strong as Cap? Or human level strength? We need to agree on the averages though. And also Pick a speed too.

Originally posted by h1a8
I guessed you missed all my previous posts downplaying their durability and toughness. I outright stated that Cap will be fighting beings with human level durability in TWO SEPARATE POSTS.

You are so smart.

Yet here you are, trolling anyone that said anything positive about Cap.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The Borg physicals are actually hard to gauge. I've been looking at some examples and they're all over the place. Some instances depict them with enhanced toughness and strength while others have them behave like geriatrics after hip surgery, so it's hard to find a middleground to work from. We need a proper Star Trek expert here, which I'm certainly not, who can give us a better, more consistent reference point for them.

the Borg are basically normal. they have no strength feats to speak of. they are durable but up to a point. you can destroy them easily with phaser fire until they adapt to the weapon, however once they adapted to phasers characters like worf overpowered them, destroyed them with h2h combat, the butt of phaser rifles as well as weapons worf carried. they were featured in numerous episodes of star trek voyager, but it was more of the same when crew members stopped shooting them and used weapons at their disposal.

also the borg were the villains the film star trek first contact.

the borg cannot survive the vacuum of space as they were blasted off the deflector array

-Borg do have enhanced strength, but it depends on the baseline species. eg A Borg of human stock would have strength equal to around a Klingon or Vulcan, so 2-3 times human strength. There are instances of higher showings and lower showings, but these seem to be outliers.

-Borg do have enhanced durability, much of their bodies are covered in exo-plating (ie armor).

Having said that, Cap would wreck Borg drones with his strength, speed and H2H combay skills. The problem isn't a Drone beating up Cap, as Drones don't fight, the problem would be Cap being injected with Borg nanites and being assimilated** while he's fighting up close. Would only take one quick injection.

**We could argue that Cap's super-human physiology would counter the nanites, but we just don't know and considering just how advanced the Borg are, it stand to reason they'd adapt to and counter his immune system

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
also the borg were the villains the film star trek first contact.

the borg cannot survive the vacuum of space as they were blasted off the deflector array

They can survive the vacuum of space. Not that it matters here though.

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Originally posted by Silent Master
Yet here you are, trolling anyone that said anything positive about Cap.

Originally posted by Robtard
-Borg do have enhanced strength, but it depends on the baseline species. eg A Borg of human stock would have strength equal to around a Klingon or Vulcan, so 2-3 times human strength. There are instances of higher showings and lower showings, but these seem to be outliers.

-Borg do have enhanced durability, much of their bodies are covered in exo-plating (ie armor).

Having said that, Cap would wreck Borg drones with his strength, speed and H2H combay skills. The problem isn't a Drone beating up Cap, as Drones don't fight, the problem would be Cap being injected with Borg nanites and being assimilated** while he's fighting up close. Would only take one quick injection.

**We could argue that Cap's super-human physiology would counter the nanites, but we just don't know and considering just how advanced the Borg are, it stand to reason they'd adapt to and counter his immune system

Wow. Spot on.

You know your Borg!

Originally posted by Robtard
They can survive the vacuum of space. Not that it matters here though.

YouTube video

ooops i meant to actually say that but i was doing a few things at once.. thanks rob

Originally posted by h1a8
Good so you admit to looking like an ass when you could have read my earlier posts.

More proof that you just make things up.

Borg did have trouble assimilating the immune system of species 8472.

Caps immune system could give the Borg similar fits.

Originally posted by Robtard
-Borg do have enhanced strength, but it depends on the baseline species. eg A Borg of human stock would have strength equal to around a Klingon or Vulcan, so 2-3 times human strength. There are instances of higher showings and lower showings, but these seem to be outliers.

-Borg do have enhanced durability, much of their bodies are covered in exo-plating (ie armor).

Having said that, Cap would wreck Borg drones with his strength, speed and H2H combay skills. The problem isn't a Drone beating up Cap, as Drones don't fight, the problem would be Cap being injected with Borg nanites and being assimilated** while he's fighting up close. Would only take one quick injection.

**We could argue that Cap's super-human physiology would counter the nanites, but we just don't know and considering just how advanced the Borg are, it stand to reason they'd adapt to and counter his immune system

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I said we needed a proper Stark Trek expert to give us a better point to work from and you delivered, so thank you. It's much appreciated.

Can the Borg forcefields only adapt to energy attacks or can they adapt to physical ones as well? Because if they can it could limit the amount of Drones Steve could take out before his attacks become ineffective.

I'm no expert but I've only ever seen them adapt to energy weapons.

h2h and physical impact is usually the way to take them down face to face.