Thor and Odin vs Superboy Prime

Originally posted by leonidas
You’re dodging. Can prime randomly punch and destroy the dcu?

And why not? I don’t know how he’d know where to go exactly. But... comics I guess? A standard bf is surrounded by an unbreakable force field though so I guess by forum rule he couldn’t break it even if he could somehow find his way there. And like the sf example shows these feats aren’t necessarily instant. I don’t see how it’s possible he returns from a bfr.

you literally are arguing against things he has already done
he has break through dimension by punching (paradise island, phantom zone) , and for some reason you think he can't punch through space time this time? and somehow punching thin air is different?

let's take a step back, how are they gonna accomplish bfr him, they can open a portal and they won't be able to push him in. he can literally oneshot skyfather level power at this point. they won't have a chance to do anything.

why can't prime punch and destroy the universe? he destroyed the dark multiverse by punching darkest knight

it's like I'm talking to a mule at this point

Lol. A mule would recognize and answer a simple question which you have now dodged...3 or 4 times? So where does that place you in the animal kingdom? Lol. CAN HE DESTROY THE DCU BY PUNCHING THE AIR?

And how does punching an entity and the ensuing ramifications conflate with him punching the air and ending up on the bf? And if he couldn’t break out of the sf immediately how does that mean he could be bfr’d and instantly come back?

you have a million questions, maybe pick up the comic book and read it yourself

I literally don't care enough to post scans and waste time on you

bud

lol way to stick to your guns. so....prime can't destroy the dcu by punching the air? 😕 does that mean he can only destroy...selective multiverses? or that he has to punch...something other than air to be a multiverse destroyer? and since he can't always instantly shatter realities, i guess a bfr could potentially work if they got it off?

glad it was sorted bud. 👆

Main reason I'd question the BFR angle is because Odin/Thor would presumably use magic to do so... And we all know that magic isn't exactly 'reliable' against Prime.

perfectly reasonable. i was even willing to entertain some speed feat abilities to dodge it or disrupt it. i simply took issue with the statement as a fact that IF it happened he could just instantly shatter realities to return to the bf. and the implication that prime is a casual multiverse destroyer. /shrug

lol, so bfr works on multiversal level powerhouse who has a track record of break through different dimensions, just cause you say so?

thor and odin might as well fart rainbow unicorns out of their asses, and erase realities by checking each other's prostates

Originally posted by leonidas
perfectly reasonable. i was even willing to entertain some speed feat abilities to dodge it or disrupt it. i simply took issue with the statement as a fact that IF it happened he could just instantly shatter realities to return to the bf. and the implication that prime is a casual multiverse destroyer. /shrug

why wouldn't he be, when he shown to destroy multiverse in death metal

Originally posted by leonidas
perfectly reasonable. i was even willing to entertain some speed feat abilities to dodge it or disrupt it. i simply took issue with the statement as a fact that IF it happened he could just instantly shatter realities to return to the bf. and the implication that prime is a casual multiverse destroyer. /shrug

So I agree that Prime likely couldn't just start throwing his fists around into thin air and subsequently shatter reality/return from a BFR... Unless the place he was sent had some kind of border for him to strike. /shrug

But either way, I don't see magical BFR necessarily working in the first place.

@mr mind: you're not very good at this. 😕

i never said it works because i said so. i said it didn't work because there is an unbreakable dome around a vs match, and because his feats of the type you're talking about don't seem to work instantly. punching an entity and the resulting cataclysm is clearly NOWHERE CLOSE to the same as punching...nothing and returning to a bf. why dodn't he just punch instantly out of the sf?

you're one of those new age dc'ers who try and shout people down, talking just to talk instead of proving anything. i'm happy to entertain proof. do you have a scan somewhere of him being removed to another dimension and immediately smashing his way back to it? because THAT would be relevant. if you don't then just...shut up?

you're also too afraid to follow your own reasoning to its eventual end because you're afraid to say that he can punch the air, or space and destroy the dcu. not sure why you're so mad when you're the one talking and not backing anything up with proof.

tl, dr

Originally posted by Galan007
I think Prime does indeed need *something* to punch. Every instance I can recall where he's broken reality required some kind of "target" for his punches.

So I agree that Prime likely couldn't just start throwing his fists around into thin air and subsequently shatter reality/return from a BFR... Unless the place he was sent had some kind of border for him to strike. /shrug

But either way, I don't see magical BFR necessarily working in the first place.

maybe not, though if they opened a portal under him or he flew into one, i don't see why that wouldn't work. does he have any examples of seeing through magical illusions? thinking there might be a way to trick him into a bfr or something. a spell would likely fail, but i think a portal would work. IF they could get him into it. you think he'd just straight up ignore something like timestop? if it slowed him, that might give them the chance. /shrug

Originally posted by MrMind
tl, dr

lol

liar. but that's cool. others will. 👆

well....they are not gonna open any magic mumbo jumbo, when they can't even react to a punch to the face

proof of beyonder or living tribunal punching through dimension by hitting the air? nothing? I guess odin wins via bfr 😂
what kinda straw man argument is this

wtf? 😂

because beyonder or lt need to punch to travel across dimensions...? 😑 you are clearly too worked up to think rationally. get some air and gather yourself. lol

Originally posted by leonidas
maybe not, though if they opened a portal under him or he flew into one, i don't see why that wouldn't work. does he have any examples of seeing through magical illusions? thinking there might be a way to trick him into a bfr or something. a spell would likely fail, but i think a portal would work. IF they could get him into it. you think he'd just straight up ignore something like timestop? if it slowed him, that might give them the chance. /shrug

Not sure how they'd trick him into a BFR, though..? Unless he falls for something like this:

I know Prime isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but falling for something like that is a stretch(even for him, lol.)

But I mean, if Prime just blitzes them from the onset, BFR likely wouldn't be a factor anyway(assuming it even could work.) /shrug

i was thinking of an illusion that makes him think there is NOT a portal when one actually has one open. but yeah, the speed thing is, as usual, essentially impossible to argue against. unless the timestop can slow him.

and i lol'd at the coyote. silly coyote....

Originally posted by leonidas
wtf? 😂

because beyonder or lt need to punch to travel across dimensions...? 😑 you are clearly too worked up to think rationally. get some air and gather yourself. lol

right, so you just assume beyonder and lt can travel dimensions, because they are powerful multiversal being

now I ask you, do you think perpetua or darkest knight can travel dimensions?

Originally posted by leonidas
maybe not, though if they opened a portal under him or he flew into one, i don't see why that wouldn't work. does he have any examples of seeing through magical illusions? thinking there might be a way to trick him into a bfr or something. a spell would likely fail, but i think a portal would work. IF they could get him into it. you think he'd just straight up ignore something like timestop? if it slowed him, that might give them the chance. /shrug

bold of you to assume magical illusion can be casted

speed isn't equalized here

sigh....first, i've seen them dimension travel, so it isn't an assumption, but, more importantly--it doesn't matter! (why am i explaining this to you??) in case you lost track PRIME is the one being bfr'd not lt or perpetua. i mean seriously, wtf is happening here... 😕

and can prime destroy the dcu by punching empty space?