Thor and Odin vs Superboy Prime

Reacting fast enough to cast the BFR spell. Galen referenced BFR not being a factor if Prime blitzes.

LOL odin + Thor have to resort to bfr Prime.

Won’t work. They locked him up in the phantom zone and he just punched his way out.

He can absorbs their power, punch them out. This is spite. These guys are ants compared to prime.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
If Thor with the odinforce lifts a boulder and says: "This is the maximum I can lift". Then he looses the odinforce and later in his carrer lifts an even bigger boulder does that mean all feats performed with the odinforce account for new Thor?

your example is so off

guardian prime does not struggle to travel dimensions, as we seen regular prime has also done so in the past as well.

current sbp>guardian prime power wise, any feats performed by guardian prime can be replicated by current prime

regular thor<odinforce thor, any feats performed by of thor cannot by replicated by regular thor

Right, let's see.

Can Thor/Odin BFR SBP? Unlikely, to me. Magic is iffy on him, he has a massive speed advantage, and it's quite OOC for the Asgardian duo. Moreover, as seen when he fought Darkest Knight, he somehow 'knew' if the world he was in was an illusion or the real deal.

Do they have to use BFR, though? Is that their only option left?

Maybe not but go ahead and put forward something else. I’ll be here for moral support. 😂

Lol

How is this even a fight at this point?

Originally posted by leonidas
Maybe not but go ahead and put forward something else. I’ll be here for moral support. 😂

Originally posted by DantasKEdc
Rune king thor and Odin vs Prime

Odin solos

😂

You could probably use some ABC logic for Modern SBP > GA SBP to make all his feats applicable. Don't think it's exactly necessary though.

@saint: 😂 so go ahead and try and make a reasoned argument. Lol if you want to have a rational discussion about it fb me. 👆

Also in my absence I came up with what I think is an Uber cool amalgam that I need to get into a tourney. Lol

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Do they have to use BFR, though? Is that their only option left?

Also didnt they retcon him being resistant to magic, but still be able to be hurt by it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is this even a fight at this point?

bfr apparently, prime needs to show us he can punch the air like he's in an edm festival and open up the sky, for us to believe he has a chance here

I think some people took too much mescaline on the way in

Originally posted by MrMind
infinite crisis started with a retcon punch so i dont see why not

if you don't know, prime destroyed darkest knight multiverse, and darkest knight admit he can't beat prime, the same darkest knight who beaten perpetua

what happened in secret origins clearly wasn't the truth to what happened if you read issue 7 of the story, Those worlds where not gone And Prime's death didn't happen the way it shows in secret origins.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Odin/Thor arent just magic. Especially in Thor's case he has a cosmic power source in Mjolnir. Mjolnir is partially powered by the spirit of a cosmic superstorm.
They have many options. Power drain, bfr, temporal shenanigans, tp, soul removal, weakness sploit(red sun), etc..

Also didnt they retcon him being resistant to magic, but still be able to be hurt by it?

Prime oneshots kills them both.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Also didnt they retcon him being resistant to magic, but still be able to be hurt by it?

In the Shazam series, Prime was imprisoned(by someone?) in a magical realm called the "Monsterlands", and kept under red sunlight for an untold amount of time before he was released:
https://ibb.co/6JV6nW6
https://ibb.co/6FrLKcj
https://ibb.co/Nr4TQg6
https://ibb.co/K0B73d0

...Then he was given to the JL after his defeat in the same series:
https://ibb.co/v199q6Q

But per Death Metal, Prime stated that he had been imprisoned on the Source Wall(as per the events of Teen Titans), then was freed when it was destroyed, and immediately began assisting TBWL:
https://ibb.co/cNBhkMp

So I don't even know if Prime's showings in the Shazam series are even canon, tbh. srug

At any rate, it was stated in the Shazam series that, despite being resistant to magics, Prime could still be hurt by them(that's how Shazam+BA beat him):
https://ibb.co/fCz65q6
https://ibb.co/hMwSGGd

But given some of the magical attacks that Prime has outright tanked under Johns, BA and Shazam using magics to beat him seem like more of a testament to how damn powerful their magics were intended to be(ie. FAR beyond Lo3W Mordru, for starters.)

Either that, or Prime was actually weakened in that series... Which is also a strong possibility, imo, and would help explain said vulnerability.

In issue #11, Prime was released from his prison in the Monsterlands after being kept there, depowered by a red sun:
https://ibb.co/K0B73d0

In issue #13, Prime is still in the Monsterlands looking for a way out:
https://ibb.co/JvP1qWh
(and it didn't seem like sunlight was exactly prevalent in the Monsterlands.)

In issue #14, Prime is transported back to earth in the middle of the night(so once again, devoid of sunlight):
https://ibb.co/PZ3smvv
*His loss to Shazam/BA occurred in the same issue.

...And thanks to SCW, we know it takes some time for the entirety of Prime's power to be restored after he's been completely depowered:
https://ibb.co/b6SYWdd

So it's worth mentioning because at no point was Prime's power stated, shown, or implied to have been fully restored after his release... And it's not like there was some huge gap in time between issues, which would allow us to logically deduce that he was back to 100%. The issues/arc all took place in rapid succession. /shrug

thanks galan. so, while the full context makes things blurry, we really can't simply assume high level magics will just be hand-waved away by prime as many appear to think--an idea that is constantly perpetuated. how you still have the patience to dig up all the relevant info is beyond me, but thanks. 👆

Really 3 possibilities as I see it.

a.) Shazam and BA's cumulative magical power was SO uber that they were able override Prime's resistance to magic and actually injure him... Even though said resistance is so absurd that Prime can laugh off attacks from Lo3W Mordru(under the same writer, no less.)

b.) Prime wasn't at full power during that series, which would explain his vulnerability to magics.

c.) The Shazam series simply isn't canon, because it doesn't mesh at all with the events of Death Metal.

There's d.

One of them is PIS *shrug* inconsistencies in comics etc.