Well, if we take her WandaVision feats at face value for the sake of this match then her powers have evolved into straight up reality warping, being able to transform/transmute objects, conjure things from nothing, shunt people out of her universe etc. So, probably her under those stips, especially if she's in Endgame rage mode. Because she seems able to do things with just thoughts as opposed to Strange who generally needs to perform different hand gestures etc. to achieve his feats.
I'll wait till Wandavision is over before including feats from the show, just to make sure we have proper context. So I'll use Endgame Wanda instead.
With that said, I'm leaning more towards Wanda. Or at least, unless Strange just banishes her to the mirror dimension.
But if we take BFR off the table then I just consider Wanda's skillset better for a straight-up fight. Remember that Dr. Strange did lose to Ebony Maw. And while Wanda doesn't quite have the same fine control as Maw, she does seem to have more raw power plus shields to boot.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Strange shields/ mirror dimension can handle Endgame Wanda's offense, It took a blast from the power stone easily, but I can't say the same for Wanda's shields.
If Strange throws the Mirror dimension at her , what's she gonna do?
Or pulls Wanda into the ground like he did those goons in Endgame.
I think the issue is that Wanda's offense is not exactly direct attacks, and I'm unsure how Strange can use his shields against them. Like, if Wanda tries to crush Strange like she did Thanos, how exactly are Strange's shields going to block that?
That said, Wanda's shields will also have trouble taking Strange's attacks, just that majority of Strange's attacks seem more geared towards restraining and containing an enemy instead of outright destroying them.
Unless we see more in WandaVision, Wanda doesn't have a way to counteract the mirror dimension but outside of BFR, I'm having trouble seeing Strange winning a direct fight.
Wanda's shields aren't actually that bad as of Endgame. The one she threw up against Thanos' ship blast was done at the last moment, as she'd been focused on him at that point. And while the blast did send her flying, we later see during the Girl Power pose that she is pretty much physically unharmed, and those blasts were even taking out Leviathans. The sorcerers also mostly had to overlap their shields to take the hits:
https://i.imgur.com/u60fl3G.mp4
Also, OP says all feats from WandaVision are applicable (even though I personally think it's too soon), so those feats can be included in the debate, as per the stips.
Thinking about it though, Wanda missed a great opportunity in Endgame. Instead of dropping Thanos to throw up a shield she should have just used his body as a meat-shield instead. Not exactly heroic, but fair under the circumstances IMO. But then people rarely fight intelligently while consumed by anger.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Off topic Im curious if Vision could run at super speeds in the real world.
Theoretically, his computer brain (powered by an infinity stone) should be able to process information at a far faster rate than the human brain. He should be able to see, hear and think about things even if they're happening at super speed. The question is whether his mechanical body can also react at the same speeds.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Off topic Im curious if Vision could run at super speeds in the real world.
This is why I feel kind of sketchy about using the WandaVision feats yet. The OP specifically included them here, but there's still so much we don't know regarding the wider context. I mean is that version of Vision even real to begin with, or something Wanda conjured up, or something someone else created to help trap her in the weird reality limbo they appear stuck in at the moment?
But it would be super weird if he could move and react that fast but they've never shown it until now. On the flip side, it could be a case of him pushing/testing the limits of his body and getting better at extracting the best performance from his physiology. But I think we need more information before we can say anything for sure.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This is why I feel kind of sketchy about using the WandaVision feats yet. The OP specifically included them here, but there's still so much we don't know regarding the wider context. I mean is that version of Vision even real to begin with, or something Wanda conjured up, or something someone else created to help trap her in the weird reality limbo they appear stuck in at the moment?But it would be super weird if he could move and react that fast but they've never shown it until now. On the flip side, it could be a case of him pushing/testing the limits of his body and getting better at extracting the best performance from his physiology. But I think we need more information before we can say anything for sure.
If we take Wandavision feats at face value, then Wanda is a flat-out reality warper and can even rewind time. That would make her pretty OP in these matches.
Originally posted by FrothByte
If we take Wandavision feats at face value, then Wanda is a flat-out reality warper and can even rewind time. That would make her pretty OP in these matches.
To be fair, her comic counterpart can also be extremely OP at times. And the interviews with Feige in the past have suggested that she has a lot more going for her than what was shown in the films, but she lacked both the experience and confidence to further explore her powers.
But, as mentioned previously, I don't really feel too comfortable using those feats. The "Who is doing this to you?" line we've gotten a few times implies that there are other external forces also at work, though it could also just be a case of someone else manipulating her into using her powers in new ways. We just don't know yet. Only reason I brought them up in the first place is because the OP made a specific point to include them.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I would think so given how he says to Wanda “somethings not right”. That suggests a consciousness to me, and a sub-conscious.Having said that, he seems to have the Mind Stone which cant be real.
Well, it might be the case that it's a Vision from an alternate universe/reality where Thanos never ripped the Mind Stone from his head, so it could be real. But that's why we need a more clear picture before we can properly use the feats from the show in Versus debates. Too many unanswered questions at this point.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, it might be the case that it's a Vision from an alternate universe/reality where Thanos never ripped the Mind Stone from his head, so it could be real.
I suppose. Story wise I feel they need to permanently close off access to the multiverse at some point (maybe in Dr. Strange), otherwise its just too easy a plot device to bring anyone (or anything) back.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I suppose. Story wise I feel they need to permanently close off access to the multiverse at some point (maybe in Dr. Strange), otherwise its just too easy a plot device to bring anyone (or anything) back.
I'm not too sure about them closing it off any time soon when they're only just starting to explore it in the new MCU phase. However, they could attach some kind of narrative high stakes/risk to it to prevent it from being overused. Like traveling in between universes could create some kind of cosmic imbalance or attract the wrath of evil multidimensional creatures or something.
So, based on the latest episode, it does appear that
Spoiler:
Wanda is using her powers to cause everything, which means they decided to give her a big upgrade after Endgame. Mirror Dimension BFR should still be on the table for Strange though as the town still appears to be on MCU Earth. Wanda just put some kind of weird hex bubble around it.