MCU Scarlet Witch vs. Doctor Strange

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nah, she shouldn't have taken any heat for it at all. She wasn't the one who detonated the bomb, wasn't even responsible for aggravating the bomber. She took action after the bomb was detonated and her actions limited the casualties to a far lesser number than it should have been. Nobody deserves to get heat for something like that.

How did her actions limit the casualties? She basically threw it straight into a building full of people. So of course if you throw a bomb from one group of civilians to another, you got to answer for what you did.

And the fact that she was shocked and in horror by what she had done shows a lack of control and awareness of what she was doing. Her intentions were obviously right, but her action there was very questionable, hence she of course had to take some flack. As did Steve btw, the experienced soldier who lost control of the situation as soon as he heard the name Bucky.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
How did her actions limit the casualties? She basically threw it straight into a building full of people. So of course if you throw a bomb from one group of civilians to another, you got to answer for what you did.

And the fact that she was shocked and in horror by what she had done shows a lack of control and awareness of what she was doing. Her intentions were obviously right, but her action there was very questionable, hence she of course had to take some flack. As did Steve btw, the experienced soldier who lost control of the situation as soon as he heard the name Bucky.

She didn't throw it INTO a building. She lifted it up in the air where it exploded beside a building. And yes, there were people inside but they were somewhat protected by the concrete walls of the building. We also don't have an idea of how many people were inside that building but based on what we can piece together from the news, I don't believe it was completely jampacked with people.

Not like the way people were jampacked in that marketplace. Dozens and dozens of people were huddled very closely together in that marketplace and had zero protection against that bomb, not even concrete walls. And if that blast was powerful enough to to cause that much destruction through the exterior of a building, imagine what it would have done had it been allowed to explode in a completely open market place.

That's mitigation. Had Wanda done nothing, a lot more people would have died. Because she took action, less people died. She should not take any heat for an action like that. You can say that the Avengers should take some blame for chasing Crossbones and forcing a confrontation, but Wanda personally shouldn't get any blame specifically for the bomb going off.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
As did Steve btw, the experienced soldier who lost control of the situation as soon as he heard the name Bucky.

Just to point out, Steve didn't get anywhere near the heat for Lagos that Wanda did. While he did give himself flack for the incident, and while Lagos was used as the final straw, so to speak, to push the Sokovia Accords, it was hardly the only incident cited. In terms of Lagos, Wanda was the one who was getting singled out by name in the news and had to be sequestered away, with the implication from Tony being that she'd be at risk of getting attacked by civilians if she went out into the public after the news coverage. In comparison, Steve was still able to freely move between different countries and was even allowed to be in the building during Bucky's interrogation turned rampage. So, their experiences after the event were very different.

From the Steve/Wanda bedroom scene in CA:CW:
Wanda: "It's my fault."
Steve: "That's not true."
Wanda: "Turn the TV back on. They're being very specific."

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well technically both Captain Marvel and Thor could have taken Thanos down as well, just saying. Probably even Antman if he just stepped on Thanos.

Not that they can compare to Wanda at her current powerlevel anyway.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Thor could. Captain Marvel ? Not in a million years!
Captain Marvel lacks the firepower to harm Thanos. Her punches are super weak.
Are you guys telling me you didn't see her punch and blast Thanos?

I mean, I don't like Captain Marvel, but to be fair she seemed to have been beating up Thanos up until he used the power stone on her. Without the power stone it seems he would have lost.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I mean, I don't like Captain Marvel, but to be fair she seemed to have been beating up Thanos up until he used the power stone on her. Without the power stone it seems he would have lost.

Even her full blasts did nothing to a dying Thanos , it didn't even push him back,, until she slammed herself into him. The same dying Thanos was overpowering her leg with one arm.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
I think you really need to rewatch that scene again. Her punches did absolutely nothing. How was she beating him up again ? By using her two hands against Thanos one hand? Or her thrusters?
I honestly need to know why some people think she was capable of beating Thanos.

Even her full blasts did nothing to a dying Thanos , it didn't even push him back,, until she slammed herself into him. The same dying Thanos was overpowering her leg with one arm.

If you're getting rocked by punches, that's not "doing nothing". She was hitting him far more than he was hitting her and he wasn't able to just ignore those blows.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you're getting rocked by punches, that's not "doing nothing". She was hitting him far more than he was hitting her and he wasn't able to just ignore those blows.

The only thing she has is durability probably due to her shields.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Rocked? Where? He was never rocked by her punches.You need to check the scene again. Cap's hammer shots were far better.

The only thing she has is durability probably due to her shields.

Here's the link. Watch it:

https://youtu.be/In8GuMOTe_Y

When someone hits you hard enough that you grunt out in pain or makes you take a step back, that's getting rocked. You wouldn't grunt out in pain if it didn't rock you.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Here's the link. Watch it:

https://youtu.be/In8GuMOTe_Y

When someone hits you hard enough that you grunt out in pain or makes you take a step back, that's getting rocked. You wouldn't grunt out in pain if it didn't rock you.

So No Marvel did not come close to beating Thanos.
Beat? Try hurting.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
I think you should watch your own link. The grunt was as a result of Thanos punching Marvel not Marvel's punch lol. Check out Spidey's hits against Thanos. There he grunts.
He took a single step backwards! lol , that's not a promising attack that can lead to a defeat. Her blasts are even more useless.
Cap rocked Thanos with his shots, which even swept him off his feet and had him grunt in real pain.

So No Marvel did not come close to beating Thanos.
Beat? Try hurting.

Are you saying that Spiderman is somehow stronger than Captain Marvel?

lol.

Your bias is showing. Thanos was getting outpunched and those shots were keeping him off balance. In other words: he was getting rocked.

And yes, Captain Marvel was beating Thanos. Unless you're going to claim that Thanos was beating her?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Are you saying that Spiderman is somehow stronger than Captain Marvel?

lol.

Your bias is showing. Thanos was getting outpunched and those shots were keeping him off balance. In other words: he was getting rocked.

And yes, Captain Marvel was beating Thanos. Unless you're going to claim that Thanos was beating her?

I'm being honest,No bias. Outpunched you say, when Thanos was fighting her with ONE hand. She punched Thanos , Thanos punched back, she punched twice, Thanos flinged her away.

Cap's hits were by far more effective,he still didn't beat Thanos.
One person got KO'd , Guess who it was?

Also Her blasts are no better.

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Originally posted by 9jaboy
I'm saying those punches were weak. about as effective as Spiderman's hits.

I'm being honest,No bias. Outpunched you say, when Thanos was fighting her with ONE hand. She punched Thanos , Thanos punched back, she punched twice, Thanos flinged her away.

Cap's hits were by far more effective,he still didn't beat Thanos.
One person got KO'd , Guess who it was?

Also Her blasts are no better.

Yes, outpunched. You yourself admitted she landed more punches on Thanos (Thanos didn't land a single punch). That's what outpunched means. And each of those punches were enough to snap Thanos' head back and forth.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, outpunched. You yourself admitted she landed more punches on Thanos (Thanos didn't land a single punch). That's what outpunched means. And each of those punches were enough to snap Thanos' head back and forth.

You posted a link that you yourself didn't watch saying Thanos grunts, I showed you he didn't. You turned around to find something else. Carry on.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Just like Spiderman 😈
I like how you ignore all my posts and focus on what little scraps you can hold on to. It's just as if you're arguing just for the sake of argument.

You posted a link that you yourself didn't watch saying Thanos grunts, I showed you he didn't. You turned around to find something else. Carry on.

In other words, you're resorting to insults because you realized Thanos actually was getting outpunched and was getting the worse of that fight. Gotcha.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In other words, you're resorting to insults because you realized Thanos actually was getting outpunched and was getting the worse of that fight. Gotcha.

Haha What is worse than getting knocked out?
Admit it CM's punches are as effective as Spiderman's hits. Next time watch your links before posting them lol.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Insults? Where?
Great, another diversion.

Haha What is worse than getting knocked out?
Admit it CM's punches are as effective as Spiderman's hits. Next time watch your links before posting them lol.

Did Thanos knock out CM by outfighting her or by using an Infinity Stone?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Did Thanos knock out CM by outfighting her or by using an Infinity Stone?