Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So, based on the latest episode, it does appear thatSpoiler:
Wanda is using her powers to cause everything, which means they decided to give her a big upgrade after Endgame. Mirror Dimension BFR should still be on the table for Strange though as the town still appears to be on MCU Earth. Wanda just put some kind of weird hex bubble around it.
Originally posted by riv6672
Interesting. Need to catch up w. this.
I am still partially speculating though.
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The last episode did very strongly imply that it's all Wanda's doing, but I still think she's being manipulated by another external influence. And while the town does still appear to be on MCU Earth, it's impossible to see what's going on in the town past the barrier around it without using specific equipment. So, it could also be sitting on an alternate plane of existence, in which case, if Wanda can move things between different planes or dimensions, Mirror Dimension BFR also might not work. So, who knows?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I am still partially speculating though.Spoiler:😄
The last episode did very strongly imply that it's all Wanda's doing, but I still think she's being manipulated by another external influence. And while the town does still appear to be on MCU Earth, it's impossible to see what's going on in the town past the barrier around it without using specific equipment. So, it could also be sitting on an alternate plane of existence, in which case, if Wanda can move things between different planes or dimensions, Mirror Dimension BFR also might not work. So, who knows?
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She also has telepathic control like she had with Hulk. Except now she fan manipulate everyone in town to believe whatever she wants. The residents even think they're in a different town in a differentiation from where they actually are.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, she'd already displayed psychic mass-manipulation with the Sokovian people in AoU during the evacuation, but nothing this elaborate or complex.
Yeah she was just compelling them to go in one direction. This is her directly altering multiple memories and thought processes of separate individuals all at the same time.
Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah she was just compelling them to go in one direction. This is her directly altering multiple memories and thought processes of separate individuals all at the same time.
They're making Wanda OP as fuk lol.
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She casually mindraped a couple dozen trained SWORD agents like nothing after stopping a drone strike. And it's confirmed she is indeed warping reality, as shown with the altered clothing, and not just casting illusions. And it's also now confirmed in-universe, not just per word of Feige, that she would have killed Thanos' ass if not for his desperation move in EG. I do still wonder if there's someone else involved though. She seemed genuinely surprised to see Evan Peters Quicksilver at the end, though it could just be that her power is operating partly subconsciously. At this point, you'd basically need someone like him, a powerful speedster, to take her out via speedblitz before she can use her powers. Or an even more powerful reality warper.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
They're making Wanda OP as fuk lol.Spoiler:
She casually mindraped a couple dozen trained SWORD agents like nothing after stopping a drone strike. And it's confirmed she is indeed warping reality, as shown with the altered clothing, and not just casting illusions. And it's also now confirmed in-universe, not just per word of Feige, that she would have killed Thanos' ass if not for his desperation move in EG. I do still wonder if there's someone else involved though. She seemed genuinely surprised to see Evan Peters Quicksilver at the end, though it could just be that her power is operating partly subconsciously. At this point, you'd basically need someone like him, a powerful speedster, to take her out via speedblitz before she can use her powers. Or an even more powerful reality warper.
Just watched it. Apparently the plan was for Wanda and for Wanda only to be anywhere near her comic counterpart. Nobody else in the MCU aside from maybe Spidey after FFH are even remotely close to just how awesome they can get in the comics.
Originally posted by KingD19
Just watched it. Apparently the plan was for Wanda and for Wanda only to be anywhere near her comic counterpart. Nobody else in the MCU aside from maybe Spidey after FFH are even remotely close to just how awesome they can get in the comics.
Also,
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I wonder if they will show how she managed to "resurrect" Vision without the Mind Stone. And on a more general note, I liked the little nods they gave to things like Lagos, for example, where she accidentally contributed to the death of several civilians in CA:CW, with the "For when you make a mess you didn't mean to" comment.
But yeah, seems they're hammering in that the two current top dogs among the Avengers are Wanda and Captain Marvel, given
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she was also brought up in the context of potentially beating Thanos and both being Infinity Stone-powered.
The Lagos thing always bothered me. Aside from being more powerful, or knowing beforehand just how much explosive that guy had on him, there was nothing she could've done different. The explosion was simply more powerful than her ability to contain it. But nobody ever asks "what would've happened if she didn't trap him in a bubble and tried to move him to a safe distance before he blew up?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
They're making Wanda OP as fuk lol.Spoiler:
She casually mindraped a couple dozen trained SWORD agents like nothing after stopping a drone strike. And it's confirmed she is indeed warping reality, as shown with the altered clothing, and not just casting illusions. And it's also now confirmed in-universe, not just per word of Feige, that she would have killed Thanos' ass if not for his desperation move in EG. I do still wonder if there's someone else involved though. She seemed genuinely surprised to see Evan Peters Quicksilver at the end, though it could just be that her power is operating partly subconsciously. At this point, you'd basically need someone like him, a powerful speedster, to take her out via speedblitz before she can use her powers. Or an even more powerful reality warper.
I remember reading a rumor about a year or so back that the MCU had originally planned to make Captain Marvel the flagship character of the MCU which is why they overpowered her, but due to the poor reception of audiences they decided to switch to Wanda instead.
I have no idea if that rumor is true or not, but seeing what they did to Wanda in this series it kinda fits. All I know is that after last night's episode, Wanda just jumped to the top of MCU food chain. You'd almost need a complete IG to beat her at this point.
Originally posted by KingD19
The Lagos thing always bothered me. Aside from being more powerful, or knowing beforehand just how much explosive that guy had on him, there was nothing she could've done different. The explosion was simply more powerful than her ability to contain it. But nobody ever asks "what would've happened if she didn't trap him in a bubble and tried to move him to a safe distance before he blew up?
Agreed. It's the same with the events of NY. They blame the Avengers for the destruction without ever thinking about what would have happened if they weren't there.
Ultron and Sokovia was on them though. But Lagos was definitely not Wanda's fault.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I remember reading a rumor about a year or so back that the MCU had originally planned to make Captain Marvel the flagship character of the MCU which is why they overpowered her, but due to the poor reception of audiences they decided to switch to Wanda instead.I have no idea if that rumor is true or not, but seeing what they did to Wanda in this series it kinda fits. All I know is that after last night's episode, Wanda just jumped to the top of MCU food chain. You'd almost need a complete IG to beat her at this point.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this is true. You just have to look at how fans respond to the two characters to see that people have a lot more love for Wanda than they do for Carol. I've seen very few people who genuinely like Captain Marvel. There definitely are some, but it's mostly mixed to negative reactions. In comparison, Wanda actually has a rather sizable fan base. But I suppose that's partly due to the fact that Wanda actually had proper development and has gone through a lot. We've seen her learn, grow, make mistakes, get hurt etc. along the way. And even now, she's hardly some perfect Mary Sue who always does the right thing. And that makes her more likable and relatable to a lot of people.
Originally posted by KingD19
The Lagos thing always bothered me. Aside from being more powerful, or knowing beforehand just how much explosive that guy had on him, there was nothing she could've done different. The explosion was simply more powerful than her ability to contain it. But nobody ever asks "what would've happened if she didn't trap him in a bubble and tried to move him to a safe distance before he blew up?
Well, for a start, Cap would probably be dead. He was right in front of Rumlow when that went off and there's a reason he blocks explosions with his shield, even smaller ones than that. Which means Bucky would probably have been killed in CA:CW, Steve wouldn't have been there to help Vision and Wanda in IW, fight in Wakanda or go in the Time Heist on EG, wield Mjolnir etc. So, yeah, just Steve's absence would have had major negative ripple effects throughout the MCU and probably resulted in way more death than what occurred in Lagos.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Wanda, we've seen so little of Strange without the Time Stone.
Well, good news is that if this really is all purely Wanda's doing in WandaVision, and there isn't some kind of external influence, then Strange is due for a power up himself in the next Doctor Strange film if he has to deal with her, seeing as she's apparently going to play a big part in there as well. I kind of wonder if the end of WandaVision will tie into or set anything up in that regard.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, good news is that if this really is all purely Wanda's doing in WandaVision, and there isn't some kind of external influence, then Strange is due for a power up himself in the next Doctor Strange film if he has to deal with her, seeing as she's apparently going to play a big part in there as well. I kind of wonder if the end of WandaVision will tie into or set anything up in that regard.
Is it confirmed that Wanda will be up against Strange in a Multiverse of Madness? I certainly agree Strange has the potential to face Wanda, but he will need a serious buff in the sequel.
Seeing
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Fox's Quicksilver in the MCU is an omen of the upcoming insanity
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerWasn't it already confirmed that WV would directly lead to Multiverse of Madness?
Well, good news is that if this really is all purely Wanda's doing in WandaVision, and there isn't some kind of external influence, then Strange is due for a power up himself in the next Doctor Strange film if he has to deal with her, seeing as she's apparently going to play a big part in there as well. I kind of wonder if the end of WandaVision will tie into or set anything up in that regard.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Wasn't it already confirmed that WV would directly lead to Multiverse of Madness?
Maybe. But I try to avoid those articles because of potential spoilers. There's apparently already some Doctor Strange 2 leak floating around that reveals an important spoiler for WandaVision, so I have made a point not to look so as to keep things mostly a surprise. Speculating is fine but it takes the fun out of it if you already know beforehand.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Is it confirmed that Wanda will be up against Strange in a Multiverse of Madness? I certainly agree Strange has the potential to face Wanda, but he will need a serious buff in the sequel.Seeing
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Fox's Quicksilver in the MCU is an omen of the upcoming insanity
Guess I should have chosen my words better. I meant more for him not being overshadowed by her in the same film he'd need to get a power up. But it could also be that he ends up fighting her. As shown in the last episode, she's rather hostile towards people who want to upset her plans at the moment and willing to essentially keep thousands of people hostage to get what she wants.