MCU Scarlet Witch vs. Doctor Strange

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, if we take her WandaVision feats at face value for the sake of this match then her powers have evolved into straight up reality warping, being able to transform/transmute objects, conjure things from nothing, shunt people out of her universe etc. So, probably her under those stips, especially if she's in Endgame rage mode. Because she seems able to do things with just thoughts as opposed to Strange who generally needs to perform different hand gestures etc. to achieve his feats.

^Pretty much this.

They also noted that she was the one Avenger who could have taken Thanos down. She's the most powerful we've ever seen her now.

Originally posted by Robtard
^Pretty much this.

They also noted that she was the one Avenger who could have taken Thanos down. She's the most powerful we've ever seen her now.

Yeah, it was interesting how they framed the dialogue there as well. Despite bringing up Captain Marvel, the way they chose to word it still implied that Wanda did the best out of everyone. At least that's how it came across to me.

Honestly, as of the last episode, unless Dr Strange gets some onscreen telepathy-type feats in his next film, Wanda could beat him (and most MCU characters for that matter) with just a wave of the hand at this point. Because she was already able to influence people like Cap, Thor, Hulk and Black Widow as a noob in AoU and, as we see, her powers and range have just increased since then.

Originally posted by Robtard
^Pretty much this.

They also noted that she was the one Avenger who could have taken Thanos down. She's the most powerful we've ever seen her now.

Well technically both Captain Marvel and Thor could have taken Thanos down as well, just saying. Probably even Antman if he just stepped on Thanos.

Not that they can compare to Wanda at her current powerlevel anyway.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Guess I should have chosen my words better. I meant more for him not being overshadowed by her in the same film he'd need to get a power up. But it could also be that he ends up fighting her. As shown in the last episode, she's rather hostile towards people who want to upset her plans at the moment and willing to essentially keep thousands of people hostage to get what she wants.

I see. I agree.

WandaVision will set the tone for that movie. I don't think Wanda will be the antagonist, but more of the nexus with the Dr. Strange 2's villain. I'm guessing some surt of multiversal inbalance caused by her actions, which will need undoing by Dr. Strange.

Maybe even the invasion of other dimensions, with potential new villains like the Shuma Gorath.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I see. I agree.

WandaVision will set the tone for that movie. I don't think Wanda will be the antagonist, but more of the nexus with the Dr. Strange 2's villain. I'm guessing some surt of multiversal inbalance caused by her actions, which will need undoing by Dr. Strange.

Maybe even the invasion of other dimensions, with potential new villains like the Shuma Gorath.

Yeah, there are a number of options with Strange in terms of villains that could be brought in due to inter-dimensional/multiversal weirdness. Mordo might also feature somewhere, as they still need to resolve the fact that he was going around draining the magic from others during the post-credits scene of the first film.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, there are a number of options with Strange in terms of villains that could be brought in due to inter-dimensional/multiversal weirdness. Mordo might also feature somewhere, as they still need to resolve the fact that he was going around draining the magic from others during the post-credits scene of the first film.

I feel like they actually messed up with the villain in the first Dr. Strange film. Mordo should have been the main villain there with Dormammu just the one pulling strings. Save Dormammu for a later film. He could have been the next big bad after Thanos and could easily have been the villain behind WandaVision as well.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, it was interesting how they framed the dialogue there as well. Despite bringing up Captain Marvel, the way they chose to word it still implied that Wanda did the best out of everyone. At least that's how it came across to me.

Honestly, as of the last episode, unless Dr Strange gets some onscreen telepathy-type feats in his next film, Wanda could beat him (and most MCU characters for that matter) with just a wave of the hand at this point. Because she was already able to influence people like Cap, Thor, Hulk and Black Widow as a noob in AoU and, as we see, her powers and range have just increased since then.

That's how I took it too, that Wanda > Captain Marvel now.

But it was just people talking their opinions and it's probably situational since this is Wanda's show, so it makes sense she got a powerboost here.

Come Captain Marvel 2, they're going to amp her.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well technically both Captain Marvel and Thor could have taken Thanos down as well, just saying. Probably even Antman if he just stepped on Thanos.

Not that they can compare to Wanda at her current powerlevel anyway.

Fair enough. As I said above, it's the opinion of humans and it makes sense that Wanda is being hyped in a show centered around her.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, there are a number of options with Strange in terms of villains that could be brought in due to inter-dimensional/multiversal weirdness. Mordo might also feature somewhere, as they still need to resolve the fact that he was going around draining the magic from others during the post-credits scene of the first film.

Right! Mordo is still out there. We'll see how Marvel unfold his narrative in the sequel.

It's very unlikely Mordo will be the main villain.

i believe wandavision is setting her up to be the villain in multiverse of madness

I can't see her turning heel, at least not for long.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's very unlikely Mordo will be the main villain.

I doubt Marvel will leave him as a loose end, unless they eliminate him somehow.

He'll likely be a minor villain in DS2 and he will probably either die or go to mystical prison early in the film.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, for a start, Cap would probably be dead. He was right in front of Rumlow when that went off and there's a reason he blocks explosions with his shield, even smaller ones than that. Which means Bucky would probably have been killed in CA:CW, Steve wouldn't have been there to help Vision and Wanda in IW, fight in Wakanda or go in the Time Heist on EG, wield Mjolnir etc. So, yeah, just Steve's absence would have had major negative ripple effects throughout the MCU and probably resulted in way more death than what occurred in Lagos.

Well I dont think anyone would seriously argue killing all those civilians was fine because she saved Cap, who later saved the Universe.

Logically, yes you probably wouldnt go back in time to change that event to Cap dying instead of them. But morally she has to take some heat for straight up throwing a bomb next to a building full of civilians.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, it was interesting how they framed the dialogue there as well. Despite bringing up Captain Marvel, the way they chose to word it still implied that Wanda did the best out of everyone. At least that's how it came across to me.

That was hilarious. Framed as if they all watched Endgame then discussed it on a KMC chat board.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well I dont think anyone would seriously argue killing all those civilians was fine because she saved Cap, who later saved the Universe.

Logically, yes you probably wouldnt go back in time to change that event to Cap dying instead of them. But morally she has to take some heat for straight up throwing a bomb next to a building full of civilians.

That was hilarious. Framed as if they all watched Endgame then discussed it on a KMC chat board.

Would you have preferred she kept the bomb next to the civilians on the ground? She had to do something with Rumlow and she had literally seconds to act in a high stress situation. She didn't exactly have time to aim.

Originally posted by KingD19
Would you have preferred she kept the bomb next to the civilians on the ground?

Youre saying that as if Im actively protesting against her.

Point is that bomb wouldnt have killed those specific people if she hadnt thrown him there. So Of course she has to take some heat for that.

Doesnt mean shes a murderer or that the whole thing was her fault. But she was definitely involved in those specific people dying, and will have to take some shit for that.

Whereas if she kept the bomb where it already was then any deaths would have been down solely to Crossbones. And all her contribution would have done is help save lives by limiting the damage by containing it as best she could.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Youre saying that as if Im actively protesting against her.

Point is that bomb wouldnt have killed those specific people if she hadnt thrown him there. So Of course she has to take some heat for that.

Doesnt mean shes a murderer or that the whole thing was her fault. But she was definitely involved in those specific people dying, and will have to take some shit for that.

Whereas if she kept the bomb where it already was then any deaths would have been down solely to Crossbones. And all her contribution would have done is help save lives by limiting the damage by containing it as best she could.

Nah, she shouldn't have taken any heat for it at all. She wasn't the one who detonated the bomb, wasn't even responsible for aggravating the bomber. She took action after the bomb was detonated and her actions limited the casualties to a far lesser number than it should have been. Nobody deserves to get heat for something like that.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I feel like they actually messed up with the villain in the first Dr. Strange film. Mordo should have been the main villain there with Dormammu just the one pulling strings. Save Dormammu for a later film. He could have been the next big bad after Thanos and could easily have been the villain behind WandaVision as well.

Well, Marvel Studios usually have a method to their madness. So, hopefully there will be a good payoff for how they decided to handle Mordo. As for Dormammu, yeah, he could have been a big bad, but there are plenty of others in Strange's rogue gallery you could say the same about. Just hope they pick one of the good ones if they do decide to go that route.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nah, she shouldn't have taken any heat for it at all. She wasn't the one who detonated the bomb, wasn't even responsible for aggravating the bomber. She took action after the bomb was detonated and her actions limited the casualties to a far lesser number than it should have been. Nobody deserves to get heat for something like that.

Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel about it. Plus, it wasn't as if she just took some heat. They plastered her all over the news, essentially put her under house arrest and used the event to justify forcing the Sokovia Accords forward.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That was hilarious. Framed as if they all watched Endgame then discussed it on a KMC chat board.

Well, to be fair, most of those organisations probably had satellites and other surveillance tech monitoring the battle.