The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
episode was okay, but the whole "white man oppressing the black man" plotline just isnt needed IMO. less of that, and more of bucky actually becoming a decent character again. please.

It's absolutely needed because that's what happened. Isaiah was weaponized against his will, then betrayed by his country when his usefulness had run its course. The world didn't know about a Black Cap because the people in charge kept him under wraps. And Falcon was passed up as Steve's replacement for Walker despite that being what he wanted because the government once again thought a black man wasn't good enough for the shield.

Those are both huge story arcs that are intrinsic to Captain America, Falcon, Walker and Bucky.

Bucky is well on his way to getting better but his personal journey to redemption shouldn't overshadow everything else the story is telling and setting up. Nor should an uncomfortable but very real issue be dumbed down because you think it takes away from Bucky's therapy time when it's just as important as everything else in the setting if not moreso.

Originally posted by KingD19
And Falcon was passed up as Steve's replacement for Walker despite that being what he wanted because the government once again thought a black man wasn't good enough for the shield.

Race might have played a part there, but there are also other factors that could have been the cause for this. For starters, Sam himself rejected the shield, publicly to boot. What's more, he's just come back from the Blip (whereas, based on the dialogue about him running ops months earlier, Walker wasn't Blipped), and Sam's rebelled against the government and was an outlaw for two years after the events of CA:CW. It could be that their main motivation for picking Walker, beyond his physical capabilities (which were "off the charts"😉, is because they thought he'd be more likely to stay in line and just do what he's told, whereas Sam is more likely to give them the finger if he thinks they're making the wrong call.

Anyone think Walker might go crazy after taking the SSS

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Anyone think Walker might go crazy after taking the SSS

I'm praying they have the Watchdog storyline in there somewhere. Walker went unhinged. One of my favorite comics ever.

(Captain America #345)

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Anyone think Walker might go crazy after taking the SSS

His parents will probably get killed like in the comic and that could push him over the breaking point after the pressure of being Cap and several failures to his name.

Originally posted by tkitna
I'm praying they have the Watchdog storyline in there somewhere. Walker went unhinged. One of my favorite comics ever.

(Captain America #345)

i still have that issue.. t'was really good...

Originally posted by KingD19
His parents will probably get killed like in the comic and that could push him over the breaking point after the pressure of being Cap and several failures to his name.

i can see that happening

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Whoo will be butthurt if Marvel decides to have Luke Cage take the SSS

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
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Whoo will be butthurt if Marvel decides to have Luke Cage take the SSS

Originally posted by KingD19
His parents will probably get killed like in the comic and that could push him over the breaking point after the pressure of being Cap and several failures to his name.

Well, Disney does love killing off parents, so it's probably right up their alley to adapt that.

https://fandomwire.com/all-times-disney-has-killed-movie-parents/

And IIRC, almost all the main characters in Raya and the Dragon are orphans. Seriously, wtf, Disney?

I wonder when we’ll see the old Netflix characters again

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, Disney does love killing off parents, so it's probably right up their alley to adapt that.

https://fandomwire.com/all-times-disney-has-killed-movie-parents/

And IIRC, almost all the main characters in Raya and the Dragon are orphans. Seriously, wtf, Disney?

It's funny how Raya becomes an orphan part way through herself.

Originally posted by Mindset
Why would he do that?

plot reasons.. to be not like the comics

Originally posted by carthage
I wonder when we’ll see the old Netflix characters again

sooner then you think

Well Cage can't get the normal SSS. It's far too weak in comparison to him for him to still be considered Luke Cage. You don't get bulletproof and "I can throw cars" level of strength with the standard serum.

I rather enjoy how they picked a man with one of the most punchable faces to be the new Captain America. Well done, Disney.

Just like his dad in GotG 2.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
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Whoo will be butthurt if Marvel decides to have Luke Cage take the SSS

I don't know about butthurt, but a lot of people might find it perplexing and unnecessary. Cage has his own unique backstory, as well as the symbolism of being the "bulletproof Black man in America" and the political and social elements attached to it (which are highlighted quite effectively in the Netflix show) and which would be lost by that kind of change.

If they want to do a something along those lines, a prequel show about Isaiah Bradley or maybe a spin-off Patriot show would be a better idea IMO. Or a movie about either, obviously.

fairly decent episode... enjoyed seeing zemo

they are so bringing together the thunderbolts..

IMO, Zemo stole the show this episode.

I like Zemo, and I like the general attitude of the show, but I have two things that annoy me:

-I've always liked the idea that Cap was the only one the serum worked perfectly on. I feel like it cheapens him a bit if they start saying that some guy in a lab actually did a better job than Erskine, and now all these super soldiers are running around with a better serum than Steve's.

-Walker is too competent with the shield for me. Unless it comes out that he's also a super soldier later on, it's gonna continue to bother me.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
IMO, Zemo stole the show this episode.

wholeheartedly agree