Raven vs Dark Phoenix

Raven (Future State: Shazam) vs Dark Phoenix Jean

what has raven done that make you think she's even close to Phoenix

Dark Phoenix disintegrates Raven.

Dark Pheonix god stomps

To be fair, this is Raven from Future State: Shazam.

Also to be fair, that Raven has basically only posed in a splash page reveal so far.

Raven and her siblings recently toppled Superman Prime 1 million as well, but that may not be what form she's in currently in the Future State arc. I've always seen Raven as the most powerful Titan, and a rival of Dark Phoenix Jean.

Originally posted by Stoic
Raven and her siblings recently toppled Superman Prime 1 million as well.

Raven and her Siblings. Raven represents Pride. In the Marvel U, Raven would be a full blown Abstract, a small one but still.

I thought the Sins were just her minions which includes pride.

Hmm, I always thought that she was Pride. I'll have to check it out.

Superman Prime didn’t just lose to the 7 deadly sins. UnKindness Raven was there amping them, she also designed it as a sneak attack.
UnKindness Raven was becoming more powerful than the Presence/Overvoid and still had to sneak attack blitz Superman. Then had the goal of finishing the job before he could recover. lol.

Also, unkindness Raven absolutely stomps here.

Raven

I just had a re-read of the relevant issues of Future State. What did the Unkindness do that makes her so uber? Just want to check that i haven't missed anything.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I just had a re-read of the relevant issues of Future State. What did the Unkindness do that makes her so uber? Just want to check that i haven't missed anything.

Originally posted by Juntai
Do you mean why is she considered so strong or how did she get so strong?

Just asking for feats i guess to see if ive missed some. Because I'm looking through Future State and can't see any depicted or even referenced in Future State that place Unkindness Raven on the level referred to by some in this thread. 🙁

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thought the Sins were just her minions which includes pride.

You're right 👆

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman Prime didn’t just lose to the 7 deadly sins. UnKindness Raven was there amping them, she also designed it as a sneak attack.
UnKindness Raven was becoming more powerful than the Presence/Overvoid and still had to sneak attack blitz Superman. Then had the goal of finishing the job before he could recover. lol.

Any verification of this amp? Looking at the comic it doesn't state that she was amping them. It does show the 7 Deadly Sins entangled in her energy signature which could also be interpreted as them being under her sway. So if the artwork alone is the evidence for her amping them then that wouldn't be enough. As I've demonstrated it can be interpreted differently.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I just had a re-read of the relevant issues of Future State. What did the Unkindness do that makes her so uber? Just want to check that i haven't missed anything.

She destroyed all of creation including the higher dimensions, heaven, hell, speedforce dimension, the 4th world and the dimensions of The Endless. She was consuming and absorbing hypertime, wiping out entire timelines. Every thread of existence.

The last survivors including the Quintessence[The Wizard, Spectre, Phantom Stranger, etc] hid themselves in Fate's tower and she just walked in and killed everyone effortlessly.

She couldn't be stopped. The only way to stop her was to prevent her from merging with the 4 Horsemen.

By the time of FS Black Adam in her absorption of all that is, she was stronger than Perpetua or Hecate.
https://imgur.com/gallery/0QLaWp9

Writer says she's more powerful than the Presence.
https://imgur.com/gallery/MgAOIOa

He also answered another question, saying she would beat Michael and Lucifer at the same time, but I think that's a given if you're above The Presence.