Current Superman vs Worldbreaker Hulk

Originally posted by h1a8
Albert yiu didn't respond to this

Your argument is that it was a, synthetic black hole and not a natural one.

Well it had the power to destroy the solar system (it destroyed solar systems already). That would mean it is one of the most powerful black holes in the galaxy (since the weakest natural ones cant do that). In other words, the synthetic black hole > average black hole.

Your next argument is that it was mentioned as the size of a speck of dust. Well ALL black holes are singularities and have been described in science as the size of a speck of dust, grain of sand, atom, etc. Also, if it can destroy a solar system then its size doesn't matter anymore.

Yet we did see it release for a moment and seal itself. Instantly. Which is weird because a black hole should have remained behind (we see the device that set it off floating freely).
So... either...
There was no event horizon so it wasn't an actual, fully formed black hole.
Said event horizon was so small that it somehow hadn't reached his hands (so not an actual black hole).
Or it wasn't a black hole at all and was an expanding gravitational field being let off by a man-made (I.e. not natural) black hole.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I’m gonna be civil and not respond to your personal attacks. Mods have warned everyone already in your other dumb thread. But This here is one of the dumbest things anyone has ever posted on kmc. It’s right up there with your other stupid posts.

Stop butchering science and stick to lying and misinterpreting comics.

Except if we look at this by real life science then that black hole should have instantly collapsed on itself harmlessly like all micro black holes do. Nothing about this black hole makes any sense, and nothing about it was natural, so real life science has no place here at all. Nice try

"In common usage, the mass of an object is often referred to as its weight, though these are in fact different concepts and quantities. In scientific contexts, mass is the amount of "matter" in an object (though "matter" may be difficult to define), whereas weight is the force exerted on an object by gravity."
Now tell me, what is exerting gravitational force ON a black hole. Because its OWN gravitational force doesn't apply."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_versus_weight#:~:text=In%20common%20usage%2C%20the%20mass,on%20an%20object%20by%20gravity.

Now DIesl, go ahead and TELL ME what is exerting gravitational force ON a black hole. Because its OWN gravitational force doesn't apply. I'll wait 😂

Just stop feeding him you guys

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yet we did see it release for a moment and seal itself. Instantly. Which is weird because a black hole should have remained behind (we see the device that set it off floating freely).
So... either...
There was no event horizon so it wasn't an actual, fully formed black hole.
Said event horizon was so small that it somehow hadn't reached his hands (so not an actual black hole).
Or it wasn't a black hole at all and was an expanding gravitational field being let off by a man-made (I.e. not natural) black hole.

Superman shielded the effects of the black hole with his hands per writer's intentions.

The fact still remains that it was able to destroy solar systems (has already and threatened to do again if Superman didn't grab it). This implies a huge ass event horizon. Even if not, then we still know that it was stronger than a natural black hole based off what it is capable of.

Unless you are arguing against writer's intentions?

Originally posted by h1a8
Albert yiu didn't respond to this

Your argument is that it was a, synthetic black hole and not a natural one.

Well it had the power to destroy the solar system (it destroyed solar systems already). That would mean it is one of the most powerful black holes in the galaxy (since the weakest natural ones cant do that). In other words, the synthetic black hole > average black hole.

Your next argument is that it was mentioned as the size of a speck of dust. Well ALL black holes are singularities and have been described in science as the size of a speck of dust, grain of sand, atom, etc. Also, if it can destroy a solar system then its size doesn't matter anymore.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman shielded the effects of the black hole with his hands per writer's intentions.

The fact still remains that it was able to destroy solar systems (has already and threatened to do again if Superman didn't grab it). This implies a huge ass event horizon. Even if not, then we still know that it was stronger than a natural black hole based off what it is capable of.

Unless you are arguing against writer's intentions?

What are you talking about? Palmer said to keep it ‘In Check’. Even as per your description under control does NOT mean it was not absent. A pipe could be breached and water could be flowing out of that pipe. You’d need to conceal that breach to keep it under control. Doesn’t mean the pipe isn’t absent. That’s common sense.

Yes, destroy a solar system OVER TIME as I stated. Where was it stated that it had already destroyed a solar system? Again, common sense is at work here.

size matters astronomically. And no, all black holes have NOT been described as the size of a speck of dust. That is a scientific fallacy that I honestly cannot believe you bothered to say. I’ve actually shown a link already detailing the size of a stellar black hole. Hell the attached image is irrefutable proof.

the smallest black hole, you mentioned on with 3 solar mass, even has a diameter of 15 miles
https://www.theregister.com/2008/04/01/smallest_black_hole_known_discovered/?

You cannot compare these, to the miniature black hole mentioned.

AND the source is Nasa:

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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What are you talking about? Palmer said to keep it ‘In Check’. Even as per your description under control does NOT mean it was not absent. A pipe could be breached and water could be flowing out of that pipe. You’d need to conceal that breach to keep it under control. Doesn’t mean the pipe isn’t absent. That’s common sense.

Yes, destroy a solar system OVER TIME as I stated. Where was it stated that it had already destroyed a solar system? Again, common sense is at work here.

size matters astronomically. And no, all black holes have NOT been described as the size of a speck of dust. That is a scientific fallacy that I honestly cannot believe you bothered to say. I’ve actually shown a link already detailing the size of a stellar black hole. Hell the attached image is irrefutable proof.

Your link is broken. Im talking about the singularity not the event horizon. The singularity is the size of an atom or molecule (as described by top physicists).

The smallest natural black hole cannot destroy a solar system over time from where Earth is. The planets in our solar system and our Sun would just orbit the black hole for billions of years without being destroyed. So if a black hole can actually destroy a solar system in a reasonable amount of time (within some years) then it is more powerful than the average black hole.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your link is broken. Im talking about the singularity not the event horizon. The singularity is the size of an atom or molecule (as described by top physicists).

The smallest natural black hole cannot destroy a solar system over time from where Earth is. The planets in our solar system and our Sun would just orbit the black hole for billions of years without being destroyed. So if a black hole can actually destroy a solar system in a reasonable amount of time (within some years) then it is more powerful than the average black hole.

he shielded the effects from a breach definitely. That’s undisputed.
There was no proof that it previously destroyed a solar system. No. Proof. Or. Mention. It only stated that it COULD, which would of been over time. Like any black hole, if you can’t contain it and it feeds it will grow massively in a short space of time. We do NOT know it’s anywhere near comparable to a stellar black hole. As shown, if it’s event horizon was about 15miles it would of destroyed a solar system.

a black hole could be properly weighed by somehow negating its gravitational field without it instantly collapsing that weight would be MASSIVE. but it generates such a powerful gravitational field that the only thing that COULD create a pull on it is a stronger black hole pulling it in, which Superman is NOT.
He is not holding up something that WEIGHS anything as it is actively pulling its own gravity into itself and trying to take him with it.

This isn't a normal black hole by any means, especially in the fact that it was man-made and doesn't obey any proper physics, but you're all treating it as if we should just pretend it does because it was labeled "a black hole."Yeah no, not happening 😂

Originally posted by h1a8
Your link is broken. Im talking about the singularity not the event horizon. The singularity is the size of an atom or molecule (as described by top physicists).

The smallest natural black hole cannot destroy a solar system over time from where Earth is. The planets in our solar system and our Sun would just orbit the black hole for billions of years without being destroyed. So if a black hole can actually destroy a solar system in a reasonable amount of time (within some years) then it is more powerful than the average black hole.

Yeah no, the event horizon is APART of the singularity. It’s literally the middle of it where everything happens. Again, this is how I know you haven’t been reading properly. What ‘top physicists’ are you reading from
The smallest natural black hole would easily be able to destroy a solar system. The gravitational forces exceed that of a star. That’s common knowledge. The thing you are forgetting is that what builds a black hole is mass consumed more so from gases or stars. Each planet are a breeding ground for exactly that.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mIBClksLlw]

Alberto stop typing. You have no clue about any of this and you’re tripping and falling over while trying to backtrack.

You made dumb claims that mass doesn’t have weight, a singularity is 15 miles wide, black hole is weightless and finally you admitted to trying to buy and sniff Superman Cosplayer’s tights at the last comic con. Just stop typing.
And it’s clear you are not understanding your google search results, you don’t understand comics leave astrophysics alone.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Alberto stop typing. You have no clue about any of this and you’re tripping and falling over while trying to backtrack.

You made dumb claims that mass doesn’t have weight, a singularity is 15 miles wide, black hole is weightless and finally you admitted to trying to buy and sniff Superman Cosplayer’s tights at the last comic con. Just stop typing.
And it’s clear you are not understanding your google search results, you don’t understand comics leave astrophysics alone.

translation: I have no rebuttal so im just gonna call it dumb

Your concession is accepted 👍

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah no, the event horizon is APART of the singularity. It’s literally the middle of it where everything happens. Again, this is how I know you haven’t been reading properly. What ‘top physicists’ are you reading from
The smallest natural black hole would easily be able to destroy a solar system. The gravitational forces exceed that of a star. That’s common knowledge. The thing you are forgetting is that what builds a black hole is mass consumed more so from gases or stars. Each planet are a breeding ground for exactly that.

The event horizon and the singularity are two different parts of a black hole.

The singularity is where everything happpens because that’s what causes the gravitational pull. I’m not going to dumb down your research for you. There was no event horizon because the blackhole was contained inside the magnetic field. That collapsed right when Superman grabbed it. Superman’s hand around the black hole singularity is what prevented the event horizon from encompassing the solar system and thus destroying it.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
translation: I have no rebuttal so im just gonna call it dumb

Your concession is accepted 👍

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

he shielded the effects from a breach definitely. Thats undisputed.
There was no proof that it previously destroyed a solar system. No. Proof. Or. Mention. It only stated that it COULD, which would of been over time. Like any black hole, if you cant contain it and it feeds it will grow massively in a short space of time. We do NOT know its anywhere near comparable to a stellar black hole. As shown, if its event horizon was about 15miles it would of destroyed a solar system.

a black hole could be properly weighed by somehow negating its gravitational field without it instantly collapsing that weight would be MASSIVE. but it generates such a powerful gravitational field that the only thing that COULD create a pull on it is a stronger black hole pulling it in, which Superman is NOT.
He is not holding up something that WEIGHS anything as it is actively pulling its own gravity into itself and trying to take him with it.

This isnt a normal black hole by any means, especially in the fact that it was man-made and doesnt obey any proper physics, but youre all treating it as if we should just pretend it does because it was labeled "a black hole."

Yeah no, not happening 😂

Yeah no, the event horizon is APART of the singularity. Its literally the middle of it where everything happens. Again, this is how I know you havent been reading properly. What top physicists are you reading from
The smallest natural black hole would easily be able to destroy a solar system. The gravitational forces exceed that of a star. Thats common knowledge. The thing you are forgetting is that what builds a black hole is mass consumed more so from gases or stars. Each planet are a breeding ground for exactly that.

It was shown destroying solar systems years ago. Did you read the story? The implication was going to destroy the solar system within a small frame of time (in a human's lifetime or less).

You have not even a basic understanding of physics. Why doesn't the planets fall into the Sun? If the Sun became a small stellar black hole (minimum size) then what will happen to the planets? Would they suddenly fall into the black hole within a human's lifetime, or orbit the black hole for billions of years or more before going into the black hole? Let's see your understanding of basic physics at work.

The black hole (the singularity part) is the size of an atom (or in layman's terms a speck of dust). The singularity being the size of a speck of dust doesn't invalidate it from being as strong as a natural black hole (which are the size of atoms). The fact remains that it is able to destroy the solar system fairly quickly.

At the end it was revealed that the black hole had literally destroyed a galaxy.

Originally posted by Diesldude
The event horizon and the singularity are two different parts of a black hole.

The singularity is where everything happpens because that’s what causes the gravitational pull. I’m not going to dumb down your research for you. There was no event horizon because the blackhole was contained inside the magnetic field. That collapsed right when Superman grabbed it. Superman’s hand around the black hole singularity is what prevented the event horizon from encompassing the solar system and thus destroying it.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was shown destroying solar systems years ago. Did you read the story? The implication was going to destroy the solar system within a small frame of time (in a human's lifetime or less).

You have not even a basic understanding of physics. Why doesn't the planets fall into the Sun? If the Sun became a small stellar black hole (minimum size) then what will happen to the planets? Would they suddenly fall into the black hole within a human's lifetime, or orbit the black hole for billions of years or more before going into the black hole? Let's see your understanding of basic physics at work.

The black hole (the singularity part) is the size of an atom (or in layman's terms a speck of dust). The singularity being the size of a speck of dust doesn't invalidate it from being as strong as a natural black hole (which are the size of atoms). The fact remains that it is able to destroy the solar system fairly quickly.

LMAO What is this, the power rangers team up? 😂 I'm gonna enjoy spanking you two.

Yeah no, In story it neither mentions or hints towards destroying a solar system. Over time or not. I still have the comic open. It only ever states his world being destroyed. Even then it doesn’t state how. Saying that it was the black hole is a reach.

Planets do NOT fall into sun because of momentum paired with the gravitational pull of the sun. That’s primary school knowledge. The pull of a single star<<<<a black hole with several star mass. The gravity produced is much more intense compared. For the planets to not be engulfed they would have to be much further out to pick up the same momentum.

The singularity is encompassed by the EVENT HORIZON it’s the layer the details no escape as anything enters the singularity. It is the line before the singularity. That's EASY to understand. A stellar black holes singularity is NOT the size of a spec of dust. Again that is dependent on the type of black hole and how it was made. This has been stated several times already. The smallest stellar black hole has an event horizon of 15 miles. Just that information proves that even with an event horizon of 15 miles a solar system can be decimated.

Your looking at 2.414e+9 smaller in size. Even then, it’s influence with all the matter around it will still be great. Again, already mentioned. So I’m going to ask again, where did you get the information that a STELLAR black hole has a singularity the size of a spec of dust.

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