Originally posted by DarkSaint85
LMAO.So Alberto selectively copy/pasted from the SETI website.
He missed out the note at the bottom of the page:
The density of a black hole depends on how you count its volume. The pop can calculation assumes that the black hole extends to its event horizon, the surface at which the escape velocity equals the speed of light. It might be better to say that a black hole is a singularity, meaning its mass is concentrated at a single point (of zero volume) at the center. On this view, the black hole's density is infinite!Source: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_prbh.php (which he referenced, but neglected to mention the asterisk.
Superman struggling with infinite density there. Damn, such weaksauce.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85[/B][/QUOTE]
Source: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_prbh.php (which he referenced, but neglected to mention the asterisk.Superman struggling with infinite density there. Damn, such weaksauce.
LMAO “It might be better to say that a black hole is a singularity”, “the black hole extends to its event horizon” plus the literal feat itself, pretty much backs everything I have been saying.
Fact:
Ray Palmer states the black hole itself is the size of a spec of dust.
Especially with the part you people stated saying ‘the black hole is a singularity’ That literally states that the event horizon is inclusive in that definition. 😂 Its too damn easy
If a black hole is the size of a spec of dust, this means its Schwarzschild radius is around 100 micrometers. The mass of such a black hole would be approximately 10^23 kg. That is 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons, which is more than the mass of the Moon.
It's not just about the mass, though: the tidal forces near such a black hole would be enormous. At a distance of just a couple of centimeters, those would certainly be enough to spaghettify any and all of the MU heralds.
Originally posted by Magnon
[B]If a black hole is the size of a spec of dust, this means its Schwarzschild radius is around 100 micrometers. The mass of such a black hole would be approximately 10^23 kg. That is 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons, which is more than the mass of the Moon.It's not just about the mass, though: the tidal forces near such a black hole would be enormous. At a distance of just a couple of centimeters, those would certainly be enough to spaghettify any and all of the MU heralds.
And yet this Isn't a natural black hole. Show me anywhere in the scans that the black hole inside the Mnemon was PUT there versus being built inside of it.
We were shown the device being built and then almost IMMEDIATELY destroying a planet. It's ARTIFICIAL and not guaranteed to be subject to any of the physics you and H clown keep trying to ascribe to it. 😂
I already told you that a black hole is a black hole. A general feature of black holes is that their properties do not depend on the details of how they were made; the state of a black hole is completely defined by its mass, its spin, and its electric charge. No information about whether it was "artificially" or "naturally" made remains once the black hole has been formed.
Originally posted by Magnon
I already told you that a black hole is a black hole. A general feature of black holes is that their properties do not depend on the details of how they were made; the state of a black hole is [B]completely defined by its mass, its spin, and its electric charge. No information about whether it was "artificially" or "naturally" made remains once the black hole has been formed. [/B]
LMAO a black hole the size you're describing is a micro black hole, with a minimum mass of 22.1 micrograms, or 2.21×10^-8 kg.
A black hole this small instantly collapses in on itself and evaporates almost instantly, which is exactly what should have happened when that containment field failed.
For the fact that it did not, it did not behave as a normal black hole of that size SHOULD.
It did not obey the laws of physics for a black hole of its size, at all, so why are you continuing to tell me what a normal black hole should do, when THIS black hole didn't do what it was supposed to?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_hole
Just stop.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
LMAO a black hole the size you're describing is a micro black hole, with a minimum mass of 22.1 micrograms, or 2.21×10^-8 kg.
A black hole this small instantly collapses in on itself and evaporates almost instantly, which is exactly what should have happened when that containment field failed.
For the fact that it did not, it did not behave as a normal black hole of that size SHOULD.
It did not obey the laws of physics for a black hole of its size, at all, so why are you continuing to tell me what a normal black hole should do, when THIS black hole didn't do what it was supposed to?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_holeJust stop.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
LMAO What is this, the power rangers team up? 😂 I'm gonna enjoy spanking you two.Yeah no, In story it neither mentions or hints towards destroying a solar system. Over time or not. I still have the comic open. It only ever states his world being destroyed. Even then it doesn’t state how. Saying that it was the black hole is a reach.
Planets do NOT fall into sun because of momentum paired with the gravitational pull of the sun. That’s primary school knowledge. The pull of a single star<<<<a black hole with several star mass. The gravity produced is much more intense compared. For the planets to not be engulfed they would have to be much further out to pick up the same momentum.
The singularity is encompassed by the EVENT HORIZON it’s the layer the details no escape as anything enters the singularity. It is the line before the singularity. That's EASY to understand. A stellar black holes singularity is NOT the size of a spec of dust. Again that is dependent on the type of black hole and how it was made. This has been stated several times already. The smallest stellar black hole has an event horizon of 15 miles. Just that information proves that even with an event horizon of 15 miles a solar system can be decimated.
Your looking at 2.414e+9 smaller in size. Even then, it’s influence with all the matter around it will still be great. Again, already mentioned. So I’m going to ask again, where did you get the information that a STELLAR black hole has a singularity the size of a spec of dust.
Post and Prove
Why do you keep mentioning the size of the event horizon? That isn't the singularity (which is at the center of the event horizon). The size of the singularity isn't dependent on the mass of the black hole, the size of the event horizon is. The size of the singularity is always the same in any black hole, no matter the mass.
My information on the size of the singularity comes from multiple sources (interviews from Neil deGrasse Tyson, Michio Kaku, etc, books, etc). This is basic common knowledge for people with a science background. Don't believe me? Go to physicsforums.com and ask any physicist there.
The effects of the black hole being contained implies no event horizon. You clearly see the black hole (with event horizon) grow to the size of the wormhole when Superman threw it in.
Originally posted by carver9agreed Superman contained it and prevented it from destroying the solar system. Biggest feat than any from WBH. Based on feats and pure awesomeness Superman wins.
Why is this topic still being discussed? The black hole was contained. Superman prevented it from spilling out of the Magnetic field. Amazing ft but it's not what you all are making it.
This feat itself is really simple
A black hole had been contained in a magnetic field
Superman's heat vision caused the explosion of this containment/magnetic field generator
The black hole breaking through. Superman immediately reaching it when the black hole occurring
Superman containing this black hole by his hands moment before it fully released and destroyed the solar system
And Superman DOES NOT HAVE magneto's magnetic manipulation power, So he needed to contain this black hole by his strength
I mean seriously, This feat isnt something very complicated thing
Originally posted by -Pr-
You know, I wouldn't mind if people were fairly debating the merits of the black hole feat, but I really don't see that at all for the most part. Or even it's relevancy, given that it's not close to being his best strength or durability feat.Honestly, it looks more and more like the usual happening: A Superman vs someone thread becomes a "Superman ain't shit" thread. The latter isn't productive or useful at all.
Failberto demanded a quantifiable feat to go up against Hulk, and he used Exitar. Except his argument for why it's impressive is Exitar being a cosmic being that can increase his strength. So unquantifiable. When he realized it's unquantifiable he said to someone else just because a feat is unquantifiable doesn't mean it can't be used. But never actually acknowledged that he used this while demanding quantifiable feats.
He also said about the black hole that it's not a striking feat.....even though Exitar would be a lifting feat. So he's desperately trying to argue the black hole feat isn't impressive.
In addition to the blatant hypocrisy and general failing, if I remember the scene correctly, it was Rogue using Hulk's power and OTHERS. I tried looking for the scans in here, by Failberto's response that they already were posted I assumed it was before him and Disel started this ride we've been on, but I didn't find them. Unless they were posted after that, either they were posted elsewhere(which would be his job to link) or he just lied. I wanna take a look because I want to be sure I'm remembering right it was Rogue with a lot more than just Hulk.