Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Probably this. I don’t think Manta can put Logan down
👍 Underwater is the only place where Black Manta has the edge due to his flexibility and speed underwater, but even then its no guarantee as Logan needs a cut to destabilize and weaken Hyde.
On land, none of BMs weapons are doing detrimental damage to Logan. Logans speed and claws, coupled with his healing factor and capabilities, giving him a variety of ways from barreling through to surgical strikes, and with no way to withstand any cuts and injuries, Black Manta weakens and drops.
That said, Black Manta's suit and weapons allow him to tangle with Aquaman above and below water, so his weapons will pack a punch, but against an Adamantium brawler who tangos with S-Tiers such as Hulk and Namor while possessing a healing factor, it wont be heavily effective. Dragging Logan underwater is his best bet.
On land (non-water areas), Logan dominates low difficulty.
In water, in a sufficiently deep(like really deep) area, Logan creeps through at 60:40.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
That said, Black Manta's suit and weapons allow him to tangle with Aquaman above and below water, so his weapons will pack a punch, but against an Adamantium brawler who tangos with S-Tiers such as Hulk and Namor while possessing a healing factor, it wont be heavily effective. [/B]
I definitely think Logan wins but I definitely think Black Manta should get more credit than your giving him. I’d argue Black Manta tangling with the likes of Wonder Woman and Aquaman (with the latter having matched the prior) I’d say that’s pretty comparable. Sure Manta doesn’t win but his ability to tangle with them I’d argue would give him the ability to tussle with Logan for a lengthy period of time.
https://imgur.com/gallery/BkwWl6w
https://imgur.com/gallery/snUk74e
I don’t know how Logan deals with Cyclops as well but I do know Cyclops are more force and not really heat.
Honestly I think a case could be made for Black Manta. He’s also been able to pierce through Deathstroke’s ikon suit.
Black Manta wins with Ninja Magic.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I definitely think Logan wins but I definitely think Black Manta should get more credit than your giving him. I’d argue Black Manta tangling with the likes of Wonder Woman and Aquaman (with the latter having matched the prior) I’d say that’s pretty comparable. Sure Manta doesn’t win but his ability to tangle with them I’d argue would give him the ability to tussle with Logan for a lengthy period of time.https://imgur.com/gallery/BkwWl6w
https://imgur.com/gallery/snUk74e
I don’t know how Logan deals with Cyclops as well but I do know Cyclops are more force and not really heat.
Honestly I think a case could be made for Black Manta. He’s also been able to pierce through Deathstroke’s ikon suit.
Good points
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I definitely think Logan wins but I definitely think Black Manta should get more credit than your giving him. I’d argue Black Manta tangling with the likes of Wonder Woman and Aquaman (with the latter having matched the prior) I’d say that’s pretty comparable. Sure Manta doesn’t win but his ability to tangle with them I’d argue would give him the ability to tussle with Logan for a lengthy period of time.https://imgur.com/gallery/BkwWl6w
https://imgur.com/gallery/snUk74e
I don’t know how Logan deals with Cyclops as well but I do know Cyclops are more force and not really heat.
Honestly I think a case could be made for Black Manta. He’s also been able to pierce through Deathstroke’s ikon suit.
What? Black Manta was only able to pierce Deathstroke's Ikon because his blast inhibited his array, leaving a gap in the suit, yet Slade shot him dead with one shot.....
Not that being able to pierce the Ikon suit will cause any major difference to Wolverine..
However that instance was a hallucinogenic test courtesy of HH while Deathstroke was in restraints. So that encounter was just a hallucination:
Despite Black Manta initially ambushing Deathstroke while Slade was engaged with Floyd (both Deadshot and Deathstroke were rather even)
Logan's faced off his fair share of S-Tiers and even Namor, and his healing and abilities will allow him to withstand and damage Black Manta while recovering from any injuries David gives him. BM getting injured underwater is far worse, since unlike Logan, BM WOULD drown quickly.
However at the same time, underwater is a problem as noted by Logan in two seperate occasions rather recently (Generations: Wolverine) and here:
Yet with a swarm of sharks around him and having previously been shot by a grenade launcher (looks like it) while blleding out fast, Logan outmanouvres a group of sharks and jumps back onto the boat in fighting form.
Logan, who only needs one cut into BMs suit in order to force him to rethink his options. Unlike any other suits such as Ironman, BMs suit will be much easier to cut.
So no, unless BM got extremely lucky, he's not dropping Logan on land.
And, you brought in heat, and while a stream can be harmful,Logans healing can keep up with that (note in this instance, while Nightcrawler disintegrated upon teleportation, Logan kept slicing the coupling while being burnt/vaporized by heat AND suffocating in space)
Your not even referencing the instance I’m talking about. In Dark Nights Metal I believe it was Black Manta pierced through Deathstroke’s suit with his harpoons.
I honestly can’t make out most of the scans you posted cause the link doesn’t show them. But Deathstroke vs Manta has been pretty back in forth not that I was using Deathstroke as some measurement but I was factoring in the armor with a force field strong enough to take punishment from high tiers.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU4YM4jV4AAZKN3.jpg
I already said I agree Logan wins but your downplaying Manta.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Your not even referencing the instance I’m talking about. In Dark Nights Metal I believe it was Black Manta pierced through Deathstroke’s suit with his harpoons.I honestly can’t make out most of the scans you posted cause the link doesn’t show them. But Deathstroke vs Manta has been pretty back in forth not that I was using Deathstroke as some measurement but I was factoring in the armor with a force field strong enough to take punishment from high tiers.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU4YM4jV4AAZKN3.jpgI already said I agree Logan wins but your downplaying Manta.
Black Manta's blade is most likely Inertron then, since THAT'S the only metal that can go through the gravity sheath (there is some temporal or isomeric property which I cant remember clearly).
It's not downplaying a character who has nothing short of luck and underwater at taking down Wolverine. None of Black Manta's weapons are going to do any damage that leaves Logan incapacitated, but the same cant be said the other way around. Black Manta fights Aquaman and played keep away with Diana to reach the Eclipso gem? Wolverine brawls with the Hulk and Namor, much more powerful foes.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Your not even referencing the instance I’m talking about. In Dark Nights Metal I believe it was Black Manta pierced through Deathstroke’s suit with his harpoons.I honestly can’t make out most of the scans you posted cause the link doesn’t show them. But Deathstroke vs Manta has been pretty back in forth not that I was using Deathstroke as some measurement but I was factoring in the armor with a force field strong enough to take punishment from high tiers.
Good post. I completely agree
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Black Manta's blade is most likely Inertron then, since THAT'S the only metal that can go through the gravity sheath (there is some temporal or isomeric property which I cant remember clearly).It's not downplaying a character who has nothing short of luck and underwater at taking down Wolverine. None of Black Manta's weapons are going to do any damage that leaves Logan incapacitated, but the same cant be said the other way around. Black Manta fights Aquaman and played keep away with Diana to reach the Eclipso gem? Wolverine brawls with the Hulk and Namor, much more powerful foes.
I mean I’d argue if he could keep Wonder Woman and Aquaman away with his optic blast the much weaker Wolverine is going to struggle to close the distance. You’re factoring in close quarter combat and that alone.
And I’d argue consistently fighting Aquaman helps Manta’s case given Aquaman is capable of surviving lighting which initially is hotter than the sun or survive in the core of the earth with no damage to his uniform yet Black Manta can burn his uniform off him and his skin no problem.
What’s Namor done that’s comparable to stopping the force of Atlan’s scepter or shifting tectonic plates? Namor isn’t regarded as one of the strongest people on his earth yet Aquaman is. I’d argue Post-Flashpoint Aquaman has overall better physicals than Namor. Wolverine doesn’t even brawl with them in a way that would imply physical superiority here outside his obvious durability which I wouldn’t even begin to argue against him having a durability advantage and honestly he’s been put down by less than Hulk and Namor as well.
Again Wolverine brawling with Namor or Hulk doesn’t make him as strong as either when it’s his healing factor, durability and claws that are being highlighted. I’d argue Manta pushing back Diana or Arthur would suggest Wolverine would struggle to close the distance if Black Manta hammered away at him with his optics.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What is Manta's exact strength level while wearing the suit?Just curious. I imagine it fluctuates a lot?
I’d argue he should be Deathstroke tier. So the same mid-tier status where his equipment provides him damage and durability to mess with high tiers but not win but dominate street level characters. The suit has enabled him to survive having a tsunami dropped on him, high speed punches from Mazahs and trade punches with Aquaman and Wonder Woman.
