Logan v Black Manta

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
You mean because a Fire troll breathes fire on him? Where is he shown exactly to be boiling at? Did you get some special edition issue or something that wasn’t released to the public...?

It was stated in the issue where Aquaman fought the Karaquan, was stated in issue 3 of the deep dives issue and the scope of it was shown in the Thule arc in the vision of Thule.

https://m.imgur.com/a/pLBDV

The continent mentions
Aquaman issue 26
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From the Thule arc is suppose to highlight how the world looked before Atlantis sank
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7271669-7221fa00-4dc3-451c-afed-a8aaf3d5053d.jpeg

From deep dives issue 3
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/7366998-6b31dd77-a354-400a-ba17-e174448e6eb5.jpeg

DC Atlantis and Marvel Atlantis don’t share the same history. DC it was said to have had 7 kingdoms on it and have been the largest continent to have existed on the planet.

Ummm yes For sure the trolls were touching him here, and he was joking about being boiled. Don't pick and choose your stuff:

Also, thanks for the Atlantis continent scans. Helpful

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
And just because I promised

The Namor your trying to present as a peer to Thor and Hulk or someone capable of fighting an Avengers roster isn’t consistent.

In the same book he was fighting the Avengers he couldnt even put Black Panther down later in the same book he was struggling with both Captain America and Black Panther.

In the Invaders series he had a lengthy battle against Captain America who even worst made him bleed with a punch.

Not to mention he struggled with Cho Hulk in a miniseries about Atlantis..

😂 Hmm I wonder what Dark Hulk Amadeus did the last time he popped up.

Oh RIGHT now I remember

while Dark Hulk is slightly more powerful, it still shows Amadeus Cho Hulk as a powerhouse to not be taken lightly

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Also, Lemme get this straight, Namor fighting off Thor and Hyperion doesn't count, but Aquaman struggling with Black Manta can be casually ignored?
I've yet to see anything that suggest Arthur evenly matches with Namor. His only best S-Tier feats are with Wonder Woman. Namor has the Hulk, Hyperion, Blue Marvel, Thor etc. ffs he defeated Sunspot and Sentry had to put some effort (relatively) in stopping him).
Arthur has statements. Namor has actual showings, though his strength feats are, I agree, rather limited. Arthur closed up a trench underwater. Namor created a trench underwater.
Arthur lifted a cruiseship and an aircraft carrier above water. Namor lifted an entire hydrobase above water:

When did I ignore Aquaman fighting against Black Manta? I never said Namor fighting against Thor and Hyperion are things to be ignored I said he’s not consistently their peer and that fight in the Avengers book is a heavy outlier that he couldn’t even replicate in his next appearances in the Avengers book.

Hell he told a bar keep in Atlantis that he didn’t have the power to face the Avengers after that fight already had happened. Your grasping towards a high showing that honestly doesn’t even make sense to try to portray Namor as comparable to Hulk. For example Hulk overloaded Black Panther’s suit.

Namor? Black Panther gets back up from a punch like nothing even happened.

Lmao Arthur has showings as well I mentioned them. He’s been consistently matching Wonder Woman and the guidebooks back up the showings by calling them peers.

He stopped an attack that destroyed the continent of Atlantis. As well as pushed down a tectonic plate and survived the pressures of the Earth’s core. I don’t see how Namor’s feat could honestly be deemed as better than all of that.

I’m providing mentions on why Aquaman’s stronger you’re trying to piggyback Namor off other characters.

Namor didn’t do well against Cho either and you’re trying to suggest he’s comparable to Hulk this is from the last issue of Atlantis Attacks.

https://imgur.com/gallery/rc3YOjI

he got overpowered pretty easily.

Fights like his against Panther or Captain America don’t help at all either. I could understand the Black Panther thing given the suit and T’Challa has the gear to hurt high tiers. But they were honestly presented pretty much like equals and Panther is a mid tier at best. Captain America making him bleed is really low showing.

https://imgur.com/a/sVvEmL3

I’ll have to relook at the Earth core scene in the Aquaman book. I might of missed something but I can’t really make out the scans you post and it’s to small for me to read on my phone.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
When did I ignore Aquaman fighting against Black Manta? I never said Namor fighting against Thor and Hyperion are things to be ignored I said he’s not consistently their peer and that fight in the Avengers book is a heavy outlier that he couldn’t even replicate in his next appearances in the Avengers book.

Hell he told a bar keep in Atlantis that he didn’t have the power to face the Avengers after that fight already had happened. Your grasping towards a high showing that honestly doesn’t even make sense to try to portray Namor as comparable to Hulk. For example Hulk overloaded Black Panther’s suit.

Namor? Black Panther gets back up from a punch like nothing even happened.

Lmao Arthur has showings as well I mentioned them. He’s been consistently matching Wonder Woman and the guidebooks back up the showings by calling them peers.

He stopped an attack that destroyed the continent of Atlantis. As well as pushed down a tectonic plate and survived the pressures of the Earth’s core. I don’t see how Namor’s feat could honestly be deemed as better than all of that.

I’m providing mentions on why Aquaman’s stronger you’re trying to piggyback Namor off other characters.

the last I recall, the Russian Winter Guard intervened.
And like I mentioned earlier, Black Manta gives Arthur a run for his money both in and out. It takes a peak potential human with a vibranium armor or a shield to stagger Namor. Namor walking out of that one with no embarrassment.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
the last I recall, the Russian Winter Guard intervened.
And like I mentioned earlier, Black Manta gives Arthur a run for his money both in and out. It takes a peak potential human with a vibranium armor or a shield to stagger Namor. Namor walking out of that one with no embarrassment.

You see I could excuse struggling with Black Panther given the suit and gear.

I could excuse Captain America hurting Namor with his shield because it’s consistent for Steve to harm high tiers with his shield.

I could even ignore Steve tripping Namor and having him on the ground.

But...

What’s the excuse for Captain America making Namor bleed with a punch though?

I don’t think struggling with Black Panther is a low showing for Namor by the way it’s been pretty consistent since Hickman. My thing is your trying to pretend Namor is in any way comparable to Hulk and the last time Hulk and Panther came to blows Hulk overloaded the vibranium weave with one punch..

Namor though Charged Panther and T’Challa was more or less ok

I’m not saying Aquaman would beat Black Panther that’s not my point. My point is dispelling the idea Namor is comparable to Hulk. My issue is you trying to piggyback off stronger characters.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
When did I ignore Aquaman fighting against Black Manta? I never said Namor fighting against Thor and Hyperion are things to be ignored I said he’s not consistently their peer and that fight in the Avengers book is a heavy outlier that he couldn’t even replicate in his next appearances in the Avengers book.

Hell he told a bar keep in Atlantis that he didn’t have the power to face the Avengers after that fight already had happened. Your grasping towards a high showing that honestly doesn’t even make sense to try to portray Namor as comparable to Hulk. For example Hulk overloaded Black Panther’s suit.

Namor? Black Panther gets back up from a punch like nothing even happened.

Lmao Arthur has showings as well I mentioned them. He’s been consistently matching Wonder Woman and the guidebooks back up the showings by calling them peers.

He stopped an attack that destroyed the continent of Atlantis. As well as pushed down a tectonic plate and survived the pressures of the Earth’s core. I don’t see how Namor’s feat could honestly be deemed as better than all of that.

I’m providing mentions on why Aquaman’s stronger you’re trying to piggyback Namor off other characters.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
You see I could excuse struggling with Black Panther given the suit and gear.

I could excuse Captain America hurting Namor with his shield because it’s consistent for Steve to harm high tiers with his shield.

I could even ignore Steve tripping Namor and having him on the ground.

But...

What’s the excuse for Captain America making Namor bleed with a punch though?

None of Arthur's fights against Black Manta help at all in this case then. Cap has fought alongside and against Namor. Cap is an peak potential human with a vibranium shield who can hurt Namor outside water.
Black Manta is a wetsuit with eye beams and a jet pack, someone who Arthur struggles against underwater in his own turf. By the logic of BP and Cap being low showings, then Black Manta's near entire existence is a low showing for Arthur.
Also Namor purposefully teleported the Hulk away, leaving him open to attack. No one dominated here:

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
None of Arthur's fights against Black Manta help at all in this case then. Cap has fought alongside and against Namor. Cap is an peak potential human with a vibranium shield who can hurt Namor outside water.
Black Manta is a wetsuit with eye beams and a jet pack, someone who Arthur struggles against underwater in his own turf. By the logic of BP and Cap being low showings, then Black Manta's near entire existence is a low showing for Arthur.
Also Namor purposefully teleported the Hulk away, leaving him open to attack. No one dominated here:

Namor was bloodied up and couldn’t prevent Cho from doing the very thing he wanted to prevent him from doing. I’d argue that would give him the lost.

And again which you seemingly keep trying to ignore Black Manta routinely fighting Aquaman is what the character is designed to do. He made gear that enables him to survive a clash with Aquaman and it usually is one sided with Manta going for the kill.

Black Manta is also a character who has given characters like Wonder Woman, Truth Superman, and Wally West problems. Struggling against Deathstroke isn’t a low end given Slade typically performs at a higher standard against high tiers for the tier he’s in.

Also from Aaron’s Avenger’s run

@Alberto

You realize that none of "your" scans even work, right?

If you want to copy posts of others, at least do it properly, use the quote function and give them credit.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Namor was bloodied up and couldn’t prevent Cho from doing the very thing he wanted to prevent him from doing. I’d argue that would give him the lost.

And again which you seemingly keep trying to ignore Black Manta routinely fighting Aquaman is what the character is designed to do. He made gear that enables him to survive a clash with Aquaman and it usually is one sided with Manta going for the kill.

Black Manta is also a character who has given characters like Wonder Woman, Truth Superman, and Wally West problems. Struggling against Deathstroke isn’t a low end given Slade typically performs at a higher standard against high tiers for the tier he’s in.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I don’t think struggling with Black Panther is a low showing for Namor by the way it’s been pretty consistent since Hickman. My thing is your trying to pretend Namor is in any way comparable to Hulk and the last time Hulk and Panther came to blows Hulk overloaded the vibranium weave with one punch..

Namor though Charged Panther and T’Challa was more or less ok

I’m not saying Aquaman would beat Black Panther that’s not my point. My point is dispelling the idea Namor is comparable to Hulk. My issue is you trying to piggyback off stronger characters.

The fact that Slade can give him problems shows that Logan would be FAR Worse. ffs Logan is also a foe who's s given entire teams problems and tangled with the likes of Hulk and Gladiator, with Thor and Sentry close by. Too many S-Tiers in his books. That's just common knowledge.

AND tell me what exactly was the very thing Namor wanted to stop Amadeus from doing? last I checked, it was to stop destroying Atlantis (which they actually succeeded). NOTHING suggested Namor was down or defeated at all.

You also seem to ignore that Cap and Black Panther have punched above their weight at times. Your problem is that since Namor doesn't have any major strength lifting feats (though him lifting an entire city above water beats any of Arthur's above water), yet has CONSISTENTLY fought S-Tiers much more than Aquaman on an equal footing at times puts Namor higher than Aquaman, that works against you.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Also from Aaron’s Avenger’s run

Namor is talking about Atlantis. NOT. himself........................ Come tf on man

I never even like say He's Hulk level. The fact I mentioned the S-Tiers is to show that he is much more powerful compared to Arthur. How you completely miss that is beyond me.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The fact that Slade can give him problems shows that Logan would be FAR Worse. ffs Logan is also a foe who's s given entire teams problems and tangled with the likes of Hulk and Gladiator, with Thor and Sentry close by. Too many S-Tiers in his books. That's just common knowledge.

AND tell me what exactly was the very thing Namor wanted to stop Amadeus from doing? last I checked, it was to stop destroying Atlantis (which they actually succeeded). NOTHING suggested Namor was down or defeated at all.

You also seem to ignore that Cap and Black Panther have punched above their weight at times. Your problem is that since Namor doesn't have any major strength lifting feats (though him lifting an entire city above water beats any of Arthur's above water), yet has CONSISTENTLY fought S-Tiers much more than Aquaman on an equal footing at times puts Namor higher than Aquaman, that works against you.

Deathstroke has fought rosters of Titans, Justice Leagues, Superman, Wonder Woman and Flash’s. That piggybacking stuff doesn’t really pan out well... If Logan fought Flash he’d either be immobilized by getting his speed stolen or dumped into the speed force if we’re assuming Flash is fighting to his best of his abilities. I don’t see Logan beating the Titans with characters like Raven included or the Justice League with Kyle or Wally on it. It’s a poor way to debate overall is my point.

Your right my mistake on the whole Atlantis thing my point was Namor couldn’t stop Cho’s rampage. Sword Master had to intervene to save Namor. Nothing suggested he was down? You mean like Namor being underneath Cho and then we see him covered in blood. What about the fact that to stop a wave that was going to
destroy the city only Brawn was capable of doing it. Which is weird given Namor can thunderclap as well and he currently has hydrokinesis abilities but he couldn’t stop the shockwave of Cho’s attack on him.

Bruh... where are you getting the idea from that Aquaman is physically stronger in water... that’s never been a thing for the character. He’s more powerful in water because he can call sea life, he heals while in it quicker and it helps his stamina. He doesn’t get a strength or speed boost in water... Aquaman has also fought S-Tiers its a pointless mention. I agree Namor has been contending against S-Tiers longer than Aquaman but given current Aquaman portrayals as being presented as a consistent peer to Wonder Woman I’d take that over Namor’s consistent portrayals any day. Outside his Avengers fight where no one really got hurt would be his fight against Cho Hulk and the Despero instance shits on that. Given in the same book Despero beat Martian Manhunter.

I could bring up the many instances of Aquaman beating Gods and S-Tiers as well. It’s not something he’s lacking in showings. I don’t even understand why you think that would be the case given one of his villains beat the Justice League with Superman and Wonder Woman present and then another one of his villains was shown to
destroy the biggest continent to have ever existed on DC earth.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Namor is talking about Atlantis. NOT. himself........................ Come tf on man

Did you not read the scan. Where in it does Namor not include himself. Cause what I’m seeing is “We have not the strength” but I could be misquoting what’s actually in the scan....

Compare that to Ocean Master actually beating the Justice League and the only reason the day was saved was because of Aquaman...