Marvel's Best Speedsters

Originally posted by -K-M-
Not a joke at all. Think your missing the entire point. He is taking that quote as gospel QS > NS even though NS has the vastly superior feats and then went escape velocity a feat QS at that time wasn’t even close to achieving

The debate isn’t about Magneto and what he can do (but even you have to admit that scene is incredibly suspect). I’m also saying him grabbing him that easily can be explained he wasn’t close to being top speed which coincides with what NS said

Also, Magneto says "you're not nearly as fast as my son, but you do fly" -- so the fact that Northstar is able to cover the distance in flight at escape velocity supposedly faster than Quicksilver can run wouldn't necessarily make him faster in terms of close quarters [not to mention Escape velocity is about Mach 33 and I'm pretty sure Quicksilver has faster feats than that, but that's irrelevant since it's running vs flying]. Give me flight and I'd be able to outpace the top 10 fastest beings in the world combined, by orders of magnitude.

What if I capped your flight to 1mph?

Checkmate.

Northstar is the best speedster because I did not win my tourney match using Quicksilver

@PHIL desperation argument? Heh! Priceless. So magneto only reaction is to simply just let Northstar hit him? Interesting.

But hey I’ll be nice and provide more examples why that entire scene is suspect...because I don’t think you know that Northstar actually has running feats not just flying.

One of his best feats was in X-Termination as he RUNS at faster then light and even puts a hole in the chest of an Exterminator (they are responsible for destroying universes). Even going back to the old days in Marvel Fanfare he casually runs 2.5 km/sec. a feat QS couldn’t match at that time. He even says he isn’t much slower then running then he is flying....”but I’m only slightly slower running then flying. A negligable difference”.

Another feat in X-Termination he flys and creates a vortex blocking the energies of the dreaming celestial. As mentioned he is only slightly slower then running then he is flying.

So yes a speedster with enhanced reflexes that can be casually be grabbed by Magneto with one hand is suspect. I know what Northstar can and has done so yes I can confidently say what Magneto said was false and it’s faulty to base your entire argument on the one quote and ignore actual feats

Also no QS did NOT have speed feats above that during that time period. It was only recently where he has been getting more feats while Northstar consistently has been much much faster.

@PHIL desperation argument? Heh! Priceless. So magneto only reaction is to simply just let Northstar hit him? Interesting.

But hey I’ll be nice and provide more examples why that entire scene is suspect...because I don’t think you know that Northstar actually has running feats not just flying.

I even gave you the dog analogy.

Here, again:

Originally posted by Philosophía
Surely you're .... joking around with Stilt, no Mungi? Magneto didn't grab him there because he was the one who let him go and told him to go save Paulie.

In case you're missing it -- it's right after Northstar tries to blitz Magneto, Erik grabs him by the neck mid blitz, tells him he's not faster than Quicksilver, then releases him and tells him to go fetch Paulie.

You literally have Magneto throwing him off and telling him "There, you're free".

.....

It's like grabbing your dog by the collar, throwing him a bone, telling him to go fetch that bone, and when he's running past you to fetch that bone you go "WELL WHY DIDN'T HE GRAB HIM BY THE COLLAR AGAIN?"

As I said, I assume you're joking here.

Will you get over how stupid that line of argument is, or do we need to just keep going in circles here?

You're a Northstar fan, and you're butthurt Magneto called Quicksilver faster. It's ok. I don't care about Northstar or Quicksilver -- Stilt doesn't care about Northstar and Quicksilver. I don't think anybody besides you does on the forum, KM, but we're not blind -- the scene is quite clear.

Furthermore, I never said that Northtar doesn't have running feats. It's like you're talking to me, but not talking to me. I said that the feat of Northstar going into orbit at "escape velocity" has nothing to do with running, so it doesn't contradict anything Magneto said. Because your argument that Northstar "went orbital velocity and thus is actually faster than Quicksilver, so Magneto was playing...uh.....psychological games! That's right!" doesn't really hold any kind of water.

And again, here:

so yes I can confidently say what Magneto said was false and it’s faulty to base your entire argument on the one quote and ignore actual feats

In case you're wondering, or asking [what the actual f*ck?] -- no, Magneto is not as fast as Northstar. He managed to grab his neck after he was tagged multiple times.

And then he released his neck, "There, you're free, hurry", and then got tagged as Northstar started flying towards Paulie.

Magneto gets tagged multiple times. None of this means that he is ... lying...

This is like a psychedelic experience, and I know I'm not insane because Stilt is seeing the same thing.

We're looking at you just say...stuff. It's like you have a defense mechanism for this one statement of Magneto's that I don't even consider as definitive, and you just throw the kitchen sink at it "Magneto is lying! Magneto is playing psychological games! See, he tagged Magneto, shows that he is a LIAR! LIAR LIAR ARGHHHHHHH".

I'm laughing at the absurdity of this.

*Correction* he created the vortex around an Exterminator who was absorbing the dreaming celestial.

I’m going to leave it at that. As I can see this is taking the wrong direction and your getting far to heated.

In the end you’re completely distorting what the point of the argument was and you’re not actually providing evidence to the contrary. This can be a simple explanation based on actual feats show n between the two. a) NS wasn’t actually going nearly as fast as he can to give magneto a false opinion on his true speed b) magneto was lying or to get under someone’s skin. Not the first or last time that has happened

Northstar’s running feats were still better then QS. Unless you have evidence to the contrary which will gladly debate that.

Odd your calling me butt hurt but yet I’m the one being calm and civil? We all know you rep Magneto but not once tried going the biased route. You’re using stilt as proof your opinion of facts is accurate? Interesting. You’re better then this.

Sorry for getting heated but I feel we're talking past each other, because you don't even know my position on how Quicksilver and Northstar compared during that era. It's like you're talking to me, but actually talking about what somebody else said. This will come as a shock to you --- but I probably agree. Northstar did have better feats. He probably was faster than Quicksilver when taking that in account. This one particular instance doesn't change that. And you don't have to try and discredit the portrayal and statement whatever way you can just because it exists and doesn't conform to the multitude of other arguments you can make on why that particular statement/portrayal isn't the be all end all. It's comics, different opinions of writers is common. I'm not melting down at the thought of a writer having Superman afraid of fighting Martian Manhunter and considering him top 5 beings in the Universe he doesn't want to face [though it does get me butthurt -- so I don't mean this as an insult], to give you an example. It exists, ok. The other 95% of the time, it's not even close.

Our difference is that I don't want to make fan-fiction and nonsensical arguments to justify why Magneto said what he did, or why the writer had Magneto say why he did. I don't think Magneto is faster than Northstar. I think he was fast enough to grab him by the neck after he got hit several times. I think he meant when he said Quicksilver is faster, and Northstar tagging him one more time as he flew for Paulie, after Magneto let him go, changes nothing -- since he got tagged before he grabbed him, too. Him flying to Paulie doesn't, particularly, making him faster than Quicksilver to nullify the scene. I just don't really care about ONE statement overriding feats [thus -- as I said, we agree which -- again, makes this quite an insane discussion].I'm a Magneto fan but it's not like him grabbing Northstar changes anything really. I'm not going to start arguing he beats people by grabbing their neck. So again --- this is not coming from a "how dare you disrespect Magneto" or "I love Quicksilver' because none of this applies.

To soothe your soul, here's Magneto owning Quicksilver to the point where he says his speed means nothing to him.

I guess Quicksilver meant that psychologically [joke btw...]

I think what we really get from this rich beautiful thread is that quicksilver would solo the entire slowpoke flash family while stripping kal naked so the whole world can see his micropeen

Marvel shitstomps DC in speed

That would be my assessment, too.

I'd go one step further and say Whizzer would solo the JLA.

Originally posted by Philosophía
That would be my assessment, too.

I'd go one step further and say Whizzer would solo the JLA.

Balder throws lightspeed pie to ko darkseid

Darkseid would inadvertently dodge it by falling down the stairs.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The one with the horse, too?

Comic heroes seem to love horses according to internet artists though.

Well to be fair I wasn’t talking to you. The debate was with stilt and I and then you jumped in more to defend Magneto not the point about QS > NS. He was using that quote as the basis of his entire argument. So that’s why the scene in question was critizied and explained why it was faulty to just go by that.

As I mentioned earlier the debate had nothing to do what Magneto can and can’t do. It came down to the quote, which as I pointed out contradicted established history and on-panel feats. Could the writer just made an error too? Also a possibility. No difference when in Infinity Crusade had Sasquatch said he was nowhere near as strong as thing but we know that’s not true and even in the same series he beat a character easily that was things equal. It’s just another example can’t just go by one quote when feats prior and after it completely contradict it. That’s the argument in the nutshell. Magneto said QS was much faster, but Northstar could fly. As shown and in direct quotes Northstar is nearly as fast running then flying as even with Isotope E QS wasn’t that fast during that period

We have contradictions all the time in comics. But that’s why we are supposed to go by averages and NS feats are just outright better. Here we were ignoring all that and relying on the magneto quote which as I pointed out can and is questionable in the quote and execution how magneto casually grabs him (in my opinion).

In the end I think we have said what we wanted to say and can leave it at that. You can have the lost word if you wish (I’m that nice)

Last word.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah. I scroll past though. I genuinely don't understand the bestiality stuff, although to each their own. The animals aren't real, so whatevs.

Comic heroes seem to love horses according to internet artists though.

Oh, my sweet summer child... 😄

Women love horses, period.

In case you're wondering, or asking [what the actual f*ck?] -- no, Magneto is not as fast as Northstar. He managed to grab his neck after he was tagged multiple times.

Already addressed this part before, but I just want to repeat myself.

One does not necessarily need to be as fast/faster than the speedster in order to tag him. At least comics don't work that way and never had.

Magneto basically did the same thing as Logan:

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And, of course, it does help that he's not a mere human and does have superhuman reflexes himself:

👆

And Magneto's speed feats in general are great. But that's neither here nor there.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Moving your head even for a picosecond is still mftl. He treats a picosecond like we would half a second. Casually.

Didn't know Pietro had it in him.

We don't know how fast the beacon was moving but if there's a feat in there, it's not a picosecond one, it's QS momentarily chasing an energy beam, which he does a few times.

And then he ultimately needed Wanda's amp to actually catch the thing. All in all still a good feat for Quicksilver, but not mftl.