Marvel's Best Speedsters

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what dumbo is arguing and you're supporting, Superman's statement of nanosecond or femtosecond are invalid because Felix Faust hit him or Sensor Girl did something after auto shields of Brainiac 5 stopped Superman from reaching her.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There's no picosecond feat in comics in general then, because all of those are simply statements and as we know, statements are weightless.

Good stuff.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Superman also got a picosecond level speed feat in Action Comics 1061.

Originally posted by Smurph
Isn't that the exact opposite of a picosecond feat

It says that he didn't do something. "Not for a single picosecond".

I get that we're excited about the word picosecond but I don't see how not doing something is a feat.

Originally posted by Galan007
I can agree that if you stretch the verbiage, then at best there is just a subtle implication that Superman might have the potential to act on a picosecond basis.

He did not actually do so in the scene itself, however, so it's ultimately moot for debating purposes either way.

Originally posted by Smurph
I haven't actually taken a position on the weight of the statements in the Faust/Sensor Girl bit. But, do... you really not see the difference between arguing that, versus using low showings from one comic to counter high showings from another?

What are you even talking about? Quicksilver took minutes to read books in the previous page from where the supposed picosecond feat took place.

No, the issue in Action Comics 1061 is the disconnect between the statement and any actual feat:

Superman not hesitating itself is the actual feat.

You have to tie the words to something that actually happened. Otherwise, talk is cheap.

Superman pressing on in a magical vortex without hesitating actually happened. 🙄🙄

Originally posted by abhilegend

Superman not hesitating itself is the actual feat.

And the fact that you're still insistent just brings me back to my original point about your credibility re: Superman and prose.

Whoa, millions of picoseconds passed as I was typing. I didn't hesitate once.

That's so many speed feats.

Originally posted by Smurph
I haven't actually taken a position on the weight of the statements in the Faust/Sensor Girl bit. But, do... you really not see the difference between arguing that, versus using low showings from one comic to counter high showings from another?

No, the issue in Action Comics 1061 is the disconnect between the statement and any actual feat:

You have to tie the words to something that actually happened. Otherwise, talk is cheap.

What's the point of claiming you didn't hesitate for a minute if you were never capable of acting within that minute?

And why isn't the term picosecond used for, say, Batman? That's pretty specific phrasology to write it off.

Originally posted by Smurph
And yet as two mods and the rest of the forum agreed, "not hesitating" is not a speed feat.

And the fact that you're still insistent just brings me back to my original point about your credibility re: Superman and prose.

The fact that you chickened out on purple prose invalidating pretty much every feat tells me whose credibility is on the line.

Originally posted by cdtm
What's the point of claiming you didn't hesitate for a minute if you were never capable of acting within that minute?

And why isn't the term picosecond used for, say, Batman? That's pretty specific phrasology to write it off.

Originally posted by Smurph
Whoa, millions of picoseconds passed as I was typing. I didn't hesitate once.

That's so many speed feats.

This is childish stuff.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And I still don't care about what you or anyone else thinks, it's spelt out in the comic and that supersedes your opinion. Argumento Ad Populum isn't a valid debating tactic FYI.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The fact that you chickened out on purple prose invalidating pretty much every feat tells me whose credibility is on the line.

Originally posted by cdtm
What's the point of claiming you didn't hesitate for a minute if you were never capable of acting within that minute?

And why isn't the term picosecond used for, say, Batman? That's pretty specific phrasology to write it off.

As Pr explained:

Originally posted by abhilegend

Superman also got a picosecond level speed feat in Action Comics 1061.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's not what that means. At all. It's a colourful descriptor. That's it.

Originally posted by Smurph
None of that makes it a feat.

As Pr explained:

Two points:

1.. Pr is Australian, they're a step down from Canadians in terms of common sense. 😜

2. When's the last time literally anyone else has used sub atomic time scales for flourish, who wasn't actually capable of making good on those boasts?

Even Spidey never said "I didn't hesitate for a microsecond!", and he probably actually has the ability to act within a microsecond.

Pr is Irish. facepalm

Originally posted by Smurph
Pr is Irish. facepalm

Now I just feel like an ass. 😞

Originally posted by cdtm
Two points:

1.. Pr is Australian, they're a step down from Canadians in terms of common sense. 😜

2. When's the last time literally anyone else has used sub atomic time scales for flourish, who wasn't actually capable of making good on those boasts?

Even Spidey never said "I didn't hesitate for a microsecond!", and he probably actually has the ability to act within a microsecond.

So Gladiator is capable of ripping black holes in half with his hands (this has been said on more than one occasion)...

https://ibb.co/0p5sPKd

Originally posted by carver9
So Gladiator is capable of ripping black holes in half with his hands (this has been said on more than one occasion)...

https://ibb.co/0p5sPKd

I can believe it.

Drax actually did rip apart the core of a star. Weakest version of Drax, this would make him stronger than Mangog or Darkest Knight both bought it in a 🌞

^ Actually it was probably the strongest version of Drax w/o Power Gem that ripped apart a starcore.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Actually it was probably the strongest version of Drax w/o Power Gem that ripped apart a starcore.

Good point, forgot about the power gem.

Originally posted by Smurph
Credibility is inherently about how other people see you. It's not an appeal to popularity for authority on the feat, it's holding up a mirror to give you a heads up that you look stupid. And at any rate, pointing out that Galan already clarified that it's not a feat and is moot for forum debate isn't argumento ad populum.

Galan isn't arbiter of feats in comics last I checked. Or the rest of the forum for that matter.

Refusing to respond to a strawman isn't chickening out. You're attacking an argument that I didn't make. Have at it.

😂

Of course you'd say that.

Originally posted by Smurph
None of that makes it a feat.

As Pr explained:

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does. You have no argument other than "nuh - uh" and appeal to authority.

So you agree Thor can bench press planets?

https://imgur.com/vUEgw55