@JL King... glad you're ok with Deathstrome hurting Supes. Imagine what Colossus would do.
Kalibak koing Superman IS a win. It doesn't matter what happens before or after that. The ko is a win for Kalibak, lol. Mongul koing Superman is a win. It doesn't matter what happened before or after that, he dropped Superman. A knock out is a knock out. A knock out is a win. Just because Kalibak and Mongul stopped pounding on him afterwards, doesn't take away their victory.
. Comics are not consistent when it comes to feats. One writer might care about collateral damages, another might not.Here’s an one. You did Superman struggle to push a planet, yet Superman held a the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight with no strain and no sunlights, all we saw was just a bead of sweat.
He also destroyed a planet by jumping off said planet while being weakened by World Forger.
Superman has also taken Super novas to the face and be fine.
He even survived a portion of the Source Wall being destroyed.
Best one yet, you mentioned Hyperion held two planets apart for a short time. Those planet were earth. Where as Superman survived Apokolips and New Genesis smashing into each other. Superman was at the center of said crash.
So we can always pick and choose low showing for Superman if we want too, but we can also talk about his high showings as well.
Fair enough, however none of things I listed were low showing tho. A low showing is him getting mowed down by a tractor. They all fall in line with his standard level of power. I’m just demonstrating that he’s not operating at infinite levels all the time like some of his fans think. Those are impressive feats no doubt. Thor has supported the weight of multiple planets and pushed the weight of nine planets. Hulk briefly resisted weight of a neutron star. Sentry causally flew off with a star...no one is going to convince me that supes can handle high heralds like children when they have comparable feats.
Originally posted by Booya_69The point is that Superman does feats like those guys like they're run of the mill. While holding his power back. Then when he turns it up, he shoots way beyond them. Their greatest feats are equivalent to his floor. His standard operating level. Case in point, take the best feats from any 5 randomly selected years of Superman, and he'll already be at or above the best feats in 50 years for any of those others.
Fair enough, however none of things I listed were low showing tho. A low showing is him getting mowed down by a tractor. They all fall in line with his standard level of power. I’m just demonstrating that he’s not operating at infinite levels all the time like some of his fans think. Those are impressive feats no doubt. Thor has supported the weight of multiple planets and pushed the weight of nine planets. Hulk briefly resisted weight of a neutron star. Sentry causally flew off with a star...no one is going to convince me that supes can handle high heralds like children when they have comparable feats.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85The one we call Silver Age Superman is current Superman. He was the one that was left after the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
I thought SBP was a completely different character from Silver-Age-Superboy-who-grew-up-to-become-Silver-Age-Superman.
SBP was a different character.
Originally posted by carver9Show me Superman actually being harmed, rather than being disoriented by the gravity sheath, as described by narration and then Deathstroke knocking him off balance before being shoulder checked through a building.
Show me his Ikon suit doing that. Amplifying his punches.
This is the problem. You're pretending this is a win. It's not.
Deathstroke didn't punch Superman unconscious. Street level dudes do that to Hulk tho.
Originally posted by SquallXGolden age Superman was Earth 2 Superman, not sure what his current designation would be with the new multiverse alignment.
Where does Kal-L fits in all this then?
Pre-Crisis/Silver Age/Bronze Age/Earth 1 Superman is Current Superman.
But I believe in the new alignment they're actually saying Golden age was current Superman too somehow. But that's now how it's been for the last few decades.
Originally posted by Juntai
Golden age Superman was Earth 2 Superman, not sure what his current designation would be with the new multiverse alignment.Pre-Crisis/Silver Age/Bronze Age/Earth 1 Superman is Current Superman.
But I believe in the new alignment they're actually saying Golden age was current Superman too somehow. But that's now how it's been for the last few decades.
Yeah I was curious about him since he’s been in each crisis stories I believe. Since I didn’t want to read Metal since it was just pure trash, I was afraid he was brought back and shitted on.
The last time I read anything about him was in Blackest Nights when he came back and tried to kill the Kents.
@Squal, the Ikon suit store energy and it bounced it back at whomever is hitting it, lol, it doesn't amplify someone's punching power.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-157cb36d6d6d0ea5c4fb893d4c17cc3f
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a7171d3dc23cd64981ad16a2dd2a18fa
Like, why are you all making up stuff? It's like you're either making it up or you just haven't read the books. Choose one.
Originally posted by Juntai
Show me Superman actually being harmed, rather than being disoriented by the gravity sheath, as described by narration and then Deathstroke knocking him off balance before being shoulder checked through a building.This is the problem. You're pretending this is a win. It's not.
Deathstroke didn't punch Superman unconscious. Street level dudes do that to Hulk tho.
He was harmed in the scans I posted. He is holding his side after DS hit and then his facial expression after the kick. Put Hulk in Superman spot and give him the same reactions Superman made when Deathstroke attacked him. That's the only way you'll see it.
Being knocked out is a win.
Like I've said, 20 years of showings and Superman looks far worse than Hulk. Superman gets wrecked by beings and knocked out by beings that Hulk would one hand. He almost got choked to death and killed and did not have the strength to do anything about it. This doesn't happen to Hulk. Abstracts have to use all of their power to hold him whereas Red Cloud was choking Superman to death and he couldn't break free.
Originally posted by carver9
@Squal, the Ikon suit store energy and it bounced it back at whomever is hitting it, lol, it doesn't amplify someone's punching power.https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-157cb36d6d6d0ea5c4fb893d4c17cc3f
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a7171d3dc23cd64981ad16a2dd2a18faLike, why are you all making up stuff? It's like you're either making it up or you just haven't read the books. Choose one.
When did I say it implied his punches?
I said it stores energy then uses against you.
It’s been years since I read that issue, so sue me carver.
Originally posted by carver9Absorbs and redirects Superman's energy back at him. Exactly what I said. Something Colossus can't do - Make Superman punch himself.
@Squal, the Ikon suit store energy and it bounced it back at whomever is hitting it, lol, it doesn't amplify someone's punching power.https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-157cb36d6d6d0ea5c4fb893d4c17cc3f
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a7171d3dc23cd64981ad16a2dd2a18faLike, why are you all making up stuff? It's like you're either making it up or you just haven't read the books. Choose one.
He was being disoriented by the tidal effect and Deathstroke simply knocked him off balance, before being casually knocked away and the suit destroyed.
This is not a win, and he didn't hurt Superman.
It's nearly taking all of my power to hold him...
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0cb042e75b7b2151954a3286bec98196
"She can choke him out? Why isn't she leading"...
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