Originally posted by carver9Oh he hasn't?
because in the past FIFTEEN years, Hulk doesn't have anything close to this. Especially being overpowered and outright unable to do anything recently.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-66cc33a3947089dd37f6b0f9b59991ad
What's Hulks track record against skyfather and up?
Juntai:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She's not poison gas.She's interdimensional energy.
I know poor Carver is bereft of me educating him, so anyone can feel free to quote me, so he can once more be schooled on comics.
That's how humans can survive her attacks. She isn't 'just' poison gas, she can control her energy output, after being bonded with another dimension that nobody knows the properties of, not even if it is matter or antimatter.
Originally posted by Juntai
Oh he hasn't?https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-66cc33a3947089dd37f6b0f9b59991ad
What's Hulks track record against skyfather and up?
WTF why are you using Zeus out of all people? Superman wouldve gotten far worse beating from zeus ffs. I swear to god i really hate superman fans with a deep passion. I ALWAYS thought abhi leaving the earth would be great for all of us but seeing you post just makes that virtually impossible
Originally posted by abhilegend
Prime tackling Darkest Knight doesn't transfers to PC Superman though. Anti Monitor has been retconned to always be weaker in 3rd dimension.This is just circular reasoning.
It’s not circular at all. 😕 Not even sure why you’d suggest it. Pc Superman is the evolution of superboy. Of course the feats don’t transfer but he has stayed true to his pc nature through the application of illogical feats. Like darkest knight.
If prime went back to his original universe and grew up he’d be superman. Only more powerful. You can try and argue that his insanity has played a role in his power level I guess. But I think it’s more because he’s from a time where logic didn’t mean as much. And we’ve seen directly that pc darkseid is considerably beyond superboy.
You can argue that prime is more powerful than his pc counter part and that’s he’s more powerful than pc superman was and I’d disagree. Then if disagree. Then I’d disagree.... so you’re welcome to your opinion. It just flies in the face of prime’s origin and ignores a pc character’s often illogical nature. Characters evolved and became more consistent over time but prime is a throwback to the crazy days. At least IMO.
Originally posted by leonidas
It’s not circular at all. 😕 Not even sure why you’d suggest it. Pc Superman is the evolution of superboy. Of course the feats don’t transfer but he has stayed true to his pc nature through the application of illogical feats. Like darkest knight.If prime went back to his original universe and grew up he’d be superman. Only more powerful. You can try and argue that his insanity has played a role in his power level I guess. But I think it’s more because he’s from a time where logic didn’t mean as much. And we’ve seen directly that pc darkseid is considerably beyond superboy.
You can argue that prime is more powerful than his pc counter part and that’s he’s more powerful than pc superman was and I’d disagree. Then if disagree. Then I’d disagree.... so you’re welcome to your opinion. It just flies in the face of prime’s origin and ignores a pc character’s often illogical nature. Characters evolved and became more consistent over time but prime is a throwback to the crazy days. At least IMO.
I thought SBP was a completely different character from Silver-Age-Superboy-who-grew-up-to-become-Silver-Age-Superman.
Originally posted by Juntai
His upper end really isn't fair. Most people are comparing their favorite characters all time feats and most powerful incarnations in the last 50 years to shit Superman does every few issues while consciously operating at a fraction of his strength.Guys like Hulk range from losing to Captain America in a few punches to world ending, give or take.
Superman ranges from World ending from a jump while nearly dead, to multiversal cosmic beater.
Most people's all time peak is his 'meh'.
While I have no problem giving supes the title of “king of the superheroes” due his power level and symbolism, but the power gap isn’t as significant as you make it seem imho.
He was knocked out cold by mongul and let a bunch of innocents die. Yes, Superman ultimately won the fight, but it was long and drawn out and he had to resort to alternative tactics in order to obtain the win. No planets destroyed.
Supes specifically stated he was using 80% of his power in his fight against rogar zar which simply shook the city.
A very angry supes failed to save his dog From getting eaten and would have let Louis lane die a couple of times against the eradicator. No planets destroyed.
It took every ounce of strength for him to push a planet, while Hyperion held two planets from colliding.
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman was still fighting after the tractor sucker punch. Post him being unconcious?If you read more, you'd understand that proved about a dozen times he can beat Red Cloud by spinning fast and/or super-breath.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/cf813d49ad8b376c7fb5e330d9334979/505107cae5809cf8-81/s2048x3072/ae7db6af1924124abd1248e3a613593d1bbe025b.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/8016f3ea15adbfb5f7173b5c0167af7b/505107cae5809cf8-bd/s2048x3072/be909372745aaaf8cdc0c2f12a730a2925a7fec9.jpg
https://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Action-Comics-1006-Superman-spoilers-A.jpgAnd she's made out of 'something' that can suffocate anyone, including a kryptonioan who can go through space, stars, etc.
But Superman wasn't stopped in any of these showings.
Stopped is when Hulk runs into meta dudes and gets knocked out heads up.
She was inexperienced in that fight, lol... their last fight, the scans I posted, she was killing him and she could've killed him as said on panel. She was physically over powering him, choking him out. Why are you making this so difficult.
You're still clinging on to Hulk and Cap showing that is over 20 years old. You can do better than this. Let me show you what I mean...
Deathstroke drops him to his knees with an elbow and then kicks him making him do the pain face...
Blasted and knocked out...
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One on one fight with Kalibak ending with him being knocked out...
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https://ibb.co/1Z1WCMB
Titano knocks him out..
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Supes has been knocked out more than any hero I can think of. Mongul knock him out, almost forgot...
All of this is recent. I didn't even post toy man knocking him out. Or Zod son, or Zod. Or a portion of Parallax power knocking him out. Is this what you really want me to do? Like, what's wrong with you. Keep clinging to Hulk vs Cap that happened over 20 years ago. Hopefully you get joy out of that.. 😂
Originally posted by Booya_69
While I have no problem giving supes the title of “king of the superheroes” due his power level and symbolism, but the power gap isn’t as significant as you make it seem imho.He was knocked out cold by mongul and let a bunch of innocents die. Yes, Superman ultimately won the fight, but it was long and drawn out and he had to resort to alternative tactics in order to obtain the win. No planets destroyed.
Supes specifically stated he was using 80% of his power in his fight against rogar zar which simply shook the city.
A very angry supes failed to save his dog From getting eaten and would have let Louis lane die a couple of times against the eradicator. No planets destroyed.
It took every ounce of strength for him to push a planet, while Hyperion held two planets from colliding.
Comics are not consistent when it comes to feats. One writer might care about collateral damages, another might not.
Here’s an one. You did Superman struggle to push a planet, yet Superman held a the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight with no strain and no sunlights, all we saw was just a bead of sweat.
He also destroyed a planet by jumping off said planet while being weakened by World Forger.
Superman has also taken Super novas to the face and be fine.
He even survived a portion of the Source Wall being destroyed.
Best one yet, you mentioned Hyperion held two planets apart for a short time. Those planet were earth. Where as Superman survived Apokolips and New Genesis smashing into each other. Superman was at the center of said crash.
So we can always pick and choose low showing for Superman if we want too, but we can also talk about his high showings as well.
Lol...the point of Deatbstroke scan is him hurting Superman.
The point of Mongul is he knocked him TF out. The point of Kalibak scan is him knocking Supes out as well. I never said Supes couldn't beat them. Why did Jun bring up Captain America when Hulk can beat him? Ask that question next time. IM not the one who started this. Jun brought this up to make Supes look good and Hulk look like trash because he's intimidated and he have every right to be.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...the point of Deatbstroke scan is him hurting Superman.The point of Mongul is he knocked him TF out. The point of Kalibak scan is him knocking Supes out as well. I never said Supes couldn't beat them. Why did Jun bring up Captain America when Hulk can beat him? Ask that question next time. IM not the one who started this. Jun brought this up to make Supes look good and Hulk look like trash because he's intimidated and he have every right to be.
Pretty sure Slade’s Ikon’s suit was using Superman’s own energy to attack him. So basically Superman was going against himself.
Kalibak and Mongul are in Superman’s strength league when Superman’s not really trying. But the minute Superman takes the gloves off, they all go down like dominoes.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...the point of Deatbstroke scan is him hurting Superman.The point of Mongul is he knocked him TF out. The point of Kalibak scan is him knocking Supes out as well. I never said Supes couldn't beat them. Why did Jun bring up Captain America when Hulk can beat him? Ask that question next time. IM not the one who started this. Jun brought this up to make Supes look good and Hulk look like trash because he's intimidated and he have every right to be.
Mongul ended up losing that exchange; same with Kalibak
The difference between the scans you posted and the one by the other poster is that your scans are take from fights that didn’t end yet or have very specific conditions.
Originally posted by xJLxKingCorrect. Superman wasn't stopped against any of them.
All you’re doing is misrepresenting the scene
See, Superman didnt lose to deathstroke; he won’t each encounter, right?Mongul ended up losing that exchange; same with Kalibak
The difference between the scans you posted and the one by the other poster is that your scans are take from fights that didn’t end yet or have very specific conditions.
Hulk gets punched to sleep by street level/metas.
Originally posted by SquallXYep. Collateral damage doesn't mean a lot. Just because he didn't destroy a planet during an encounter doesn't mean he can't. It's very much in Superman's strength to do so.
Comics are not consistent when it comes to feats. One writer might care about collateral damages, another might not.Here’s an one. You did Superman struggle to push a planet, yet Superman held a the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight with no strain and no sunlights, all we saw was just a bead of sweat.
He also destroyed a planet by jumping off said planet while being weakened by World Forger.
Superman has also taken Super novas to the face and be fine.
He even survived a portion of the Source Wall being destroyed.
Best one yet, you mentioned Hyperion held two planets apart for a short time. Those planet were earth. Where as Superman survived Apokolips and New Genesis smashing into each other. Superman was at the center of said crash.
So we can always pick and choose low showing for Superman if we want too, but we can also talk about his high showings as well.
