Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Shaggyman isn't in this thread 🙂Anyway, the examples given are poop. Iron Fist? Karnak? Neither of them are as strong as Shazam, so moot.
Of course, this assumes we take those statements for Cass at face value. You know how much we love statements 😛
Why do you think pressure points work?
Originally posted by carver9
Why do you think pressure points work?
Because the examples used for it failing are doodoo. Karnak? Seriously? When he failed, it explicitly said that Hulk had pressure points he could exploit, the problem was Karnak was too weak to take advantage.
I mean, lol if we think Shazam is limited to elephant busting range.
Temugin used nerve strikes against Hulk. They worked.
Warpath targeted WWH's pressure points with his knives. They worked (until he popped the knives out). WWH of course, being stronger and better at everything compared to Savage 😈
Valkyrie has already been mentioned.
I mean, was IF even using any degree of superstrength when hitting the Hulk?
BC Wolverine managed to hurt one of the most durable Hulk incarnations that way.
Cap had some limited success with pressure points, too (though they have completely failed when he was going for a KO).
I'm a big Hulk fan, but it's hard to imagine him no-selling a nerve spam like this:
And thanks to Shazam's powerset, it would be doable. At least should be.
Too bad we haven't seen much from this amped version of Cassie, otherwise we wouldn't need to rely on our imagination so much.
Samantha-Val is the closest example we've got, stats-wise, to Shazam-Cain.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
BC Wolverine managed to hurt one of the most durable Hulk incarnations that way.Cap had some limited success with pressure points, too (though they have completely failed when he was going for a KO).
I'm a big Hulk fan, but it's hard to imagine him no-selling a nerve spam like this:
And thanks to Shazam's powerset, it would be doable. At least should be.
Too bad we haven't seen much from this amped version of Cassie, otherwise we wouldn't need to rely on our imagination so much.
Samantha-Val is the closest example we've got, stats-wise, to Shazam-Cain.
Yeah, I completely accept that it's all speculation because this is almost a Golgo thread, where one side (DC) has like zero feats, lol.
But it is interesting that in the same storyline, at least Constantine managed to actually use the Wisdom of Shazam (a pet peeve of mine, so on a minor tangent, though not as tangential as using Shaggy Man, lmao) to bolster his fighting efficiency:
I liked it as a fight scene. Showed how powerful Trigon was.
So how we are even comparing pressure points done by regular or slightly above human beings to a pressure point done by a high herald is beyond me.
Of course a pressure point wouldn't work when you can't apply enough pressure to even slightly indent the skin.
Hulk better get real mad real quick if he wants to win.
Cain-8/10
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
BC Wolverine managed to hurt one of the most durable Hulk incarnations that way.Cap had some limited success with pressure points, too (though they have completely failed when he was going for a KO).
I'm a big Hulk fan, but it's hard to imagine him no-selling a nerve spam like this:
And thanks to Shazam's powerset, it would be doable. At least should be.
Too bad we haven't seen much from this amped version of Cassie, otherwise we wouldn't need to rely on our imagination so much.
Samantha-Val is the closest example we've got, stats-wise, to Shazam-Cain.
I definitely believe Hulk would feel it.
Temugin used his chi-amped pressure points (I don't remeber Cassandra having any chi), but it only made Hulk angrier and he thunder-clapped Temujin.
Hulk also taken pressure points from Iron Fist and even no-sold his Iron Fist (no puns intended). And Karnak may be isn't very strong physically, but in comics it's not that directly linked (small girls like Cassandra Cain can knock out metahumans, for example, without using pressure points) and Karnak's main strength is his ability to feel and see any weak spots in everywhere.
Anyway, I doubt Cassandra Cain could win against Hulk, at best she can only hurt him, but it makes him even angrier.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because the examples used for it failing are doodoo. Karnak? Seriously? When he failed, it explicitly said that Hulk had pressure points he could exploit, the problem was Karnak was too weak to take advantage.I mean, lol if we think Shazam is limited to elephant busting range.
Temugin used nerve strikes against Hulk. They worked.
Warpath targeted WWH's pressure points with his knives. They worked (until he popped the knives out). WWH of course, being stronger and better at everything compared to Savage 😈
Valkyrie has already been mentioned.
I mean, was IF even using any degree of superstrength when hitting the Hulk?
So the times it didn't work, we are just going to ignore that? Also, does Cassandra strictly use pressure points in combat? Also, based off fts, Hulk is faster 🤔
Originally posted by carver9
So the times it didn't work, we are just going to ignore that? Also, does Cassandra strictly use pressure points in combat? Also, based off fts, Hulk is faster 🤔
How strong were the characters when it failed? Because yes.
Your argument is like saying Captain America failed to lift a tank, therefore tanks are immune to being lifted 😂
Originally posted by Alex_Ferrana
I definitely believe Hulk would feel it.Temugin used his chi-amped pressure points (I don't remeber Cassandra having any chi), but it only made Hulk angrier and he thunder-clapped Temujin.
Hulk also taken pressure points from Iron Fist and even no-sold his Iron Fist (no puns intended). And Karnak may be isn't very strong physically, but in comics it's not that directly linked (small girls like Cassandra Cain can knock out metahumans, for example, without using pressure points) and Karnak's main strength is his ability to feel and see any weak spots in everywhere.
Anyway, I doubt Cassandra Cain could win against Hulk, at best she can only hurt him, but it makes him even angrier.
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
It's just that the power-up Cassie has here is truly massive; we're talking about the Superman-tier power level. And her unique skills on top of that.
It is a combo of those that poses a threat to the Hulk - it's not *just* strength, *just* speed or *just* skills.
As already stated, this is just us discussing Cassie's true potential with Shazam's powerset properly utilized - on-panel, she has barely done anything.
Originally posted by carver9
Don't think that's how this works.
You're not only making duck lips while taking selfies, you're also the king of all hypocrites?
"Hulk is Hulk" - carver9
You said it only like a trillion times haw-som
She doesn't become a new character just because of new powers at her disposal.
And if you were addressing the Wisdom of Solomon part... well...
*bumpty bump*
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, I completely accept that it's all speculation because this is almost a Golgo thread, where one side (DC) has like zero feats, lol.But it is interesting that in the same storyline, at least Constantine managed to actually use the Wisdom of Shazam (a pet peeve of mine, so on a minor tangent, though not as tangential as using Shaggy Man, lmao) to bolster his fighting efficiency:
I liked it as a fight scene. Showed how powerful Trigon was.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're not only making duck lips while taking selfies, you're also the king of all hypocrites?"Hulk is Hulk" - carver9
You said it only like a trillion times haw-som
She doesn't become a new character just because of new powers at her disposal.
Hulk is Hulk but Cassy doesn't all of a sudden just start aiming for pressure points when she prefers just punching her enemies to sleep. In character is on here. Then factor in her having God like powers, I feel certain that wouldn't be her first option.
Speed of Mercury means nothing now, eh?
And if we want feats, she's ripping Amazos which were explicitly, according to narration, strong enough to take on the JLA on their own. Including Flash and WW.
But most importantly, let's not fall victim to Carver's usual goal moving. Pressure points work on Hulk, ESPECIALLY when backed up by enough super strength.