Not really, and for two reasons.
1. The main one. They completely nerfed the shit out of his powerset.. Namely, his dynamic strength and healing factor were almost non existent.
2. The movies are simply far more realistic about how a one dimensional brick would fare against opponents with comparable strength and durability but far more skilled (Thor)and beings with more versatility and technological shenanigans (Iron Man).
3. Thanos is simply stronger than Hulk and has always been shown that way even in the comics.
Who else did he job against? He treated everything else like fodder.
So basically he wasn't a jobber. He just wasn't really Hulk.
Originally posted by ShadowFyreWell I mean when they brought Hulk out to fight Thanos it was like this big moment. It was almost like "Ohhhh damn Thanos is about to get his shit pushed in." Then gets his ass kicked, accurate to the comics, yeah, but like you said they weren't really trying to be super accurate to the comics. In relation to the other thread, can't Strange... y'know, fight superhuman beings in H2H combat and shit like that? Yet if he ever has to use anything but his magic god help him lol.
Not really, and for two reasons.1. The main one. They completely nerfed the shit out of his powerset.. Namely, his dynamic strength and healing factor were almost non existent.
2. The movies are simply far more realistic about how a one dimensional brick would fare against opponents with comparable strength and durability but far more skilled (Thor)and beings with more versatility and technological shenanigans (Iron Man).
3. Thanos is simply stronger than Hulk and has always been shown that way even in the comics.
Who else did he job against? He treated everything else like fodder.
So basically he wasn't a jobber. He just wasn't really Hulk.
Anyway regardless that was illuminating, and sorry for derailing but I'm tired lol.
He punched him once and then had Falcon's help to put him down. And this was after Walker had his one arm broken.
I'm going to say Drax actually. He got hyped up in the first GotG movie as this uber dangerous individual before being shown, but more often than not gets utterly humiliated when he fights anyone of note. Got utterly demolished by Ronan, took himself out of the fight against the Abilisk, was useless against Ego and barely fazed Thanos with his attacks. The only person he's beaten is Korath, and he did so by exploiting and targeting an exposed implant on his head.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Meh, he took Walker out pretty easily once the shield was out of the picture.
You mean when Walker's arm was already broken and Bucky and Falcon were tag-teaming Walker?
The fact that Bucky needed Falcon's help to take on Walker is what makes Bucky a jobber. In fact in that fight there was a moment he already had the shield and Walker still outright overpowered him and easily knocked him out for a bit.
Originally posted by FrothByteHe got his ass kicked by BP too.
Right now I think Bucky is the biggest jobber.
That's the way I see that scene, Bucky got his ass kicked, period. Weird that Spidey was able to nosell Bucky's punch but Cap beat him.
Okay, beat him through environmental means but still.
Also, am I the only one amazed at how far Cap has come? Didn't he lose to Loki in H2H combat in the first Avengers movie?
Now he can use Mjolnir and shit, take on all the other Avengers by himself (with some clear exceptions.)
Originally posted by FrothByte
You mean when Walker's arm was already broken and Bucky and Falcon were tag-teaming Walker?The fact that Bucky needed Falcon's help to take on Walker is what makes Bucky a jobber. In fact in that fight there was a moment he already had the shield and Walker still outright overpowered him and easily knocked him out for a bit.
I wouldn't call Bucky a jobber per se. Most of his lower end showings in the films and in the show have some context behind them. In the show especially, his screwed up psyche and fear of reverting to his old self is clearly still messing with him. He even states in episode 5 that he thinks there's still a part of the Winter Soldier inside him, during the conversation with Sam about his nightmares.
As to getting overpowered by Walker? Well, as mentioned in the other thread, Walker just seems extra amped after taking the serum. As was noted, Erskine said it amplifies all aspects of a person, so Walker being "off the charts" as a regular human, it doesn't seem surprising that he'd also be similar as a Super Soldier.
I still think Drax is the worst jobber. The guy doesn't even need others to take him out of a fight. He does it on his own.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I wouldn't call Bucky a jobber per se. Most of his lower end showings in the films and in the show have some context behind them. In the show especially, his screwed up psyche and fear of reverting to his old self is clearly still messing with him. He even states in episode 5 that he thinks there's still a part of the Winter Soldier inside him, during the conversation with Sam about his nightmares.As to getting overpowered by Walker? Well, as mentioned in the other thread, Walker just seems extra amped after taking the serum. As was noted, Erskine said it amplifies all aspects of a person, so Walker being "off the charts" as a regular human, it doesn't seem surprising that he'd also be similar as a Super Soldier.
I still think Drax is the worst jobber. The guy doesn't even need others to take him out of a fight. He does it on his own.
Here's the problem with the theory that Walker is an extra strong super soldier. If we assume that he's so strong that he can easily overpower Bucky even with Bucky's robot arm, then each of his hits should at the very least be knocking down Falcon for a 10 count if not outright turning him to mush... especially since we all agree that Walker isn't the type to hold back.
So we either conclude that Walker is extra strong and Sam suddenly developed huge plot armor, or Sam maintains his general strength and fighting skill at which point Bucky is the jobber.
Besides, It's not just Bucky's performance in TFATWS in any case. He's been getting nerfed ever since Civil War where he got outright humiliated by Spiderman and then later on in Infinity War when Cap and BP were outrunning everyone else in the army including Bucky who seemed to run only as fast as the other Wakandans.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Here's the problem with the theory that Walker is an extra strong super soldier. If we assume that he's so strong that he can easily overpower Bucky even with Bucky's robot arm, then each of his hits should at the very least be knocking down Falcon for a 10 count if not outright turning him to mush... especially since we all agree that Walker isn't the type to hold back.So we either conclude that Walker is extra strong and Sam suddenly developed huge plot armor, or Sam maintains his general strength and fighting skill at which point Bucky is the jobber.
Well, Sam was getting floored by pretty much every hit. Plus he's also taken some hard hits in the films that should seriously hurt a regular human but didn't phase him (like getting smashed through an airport stand while fighting Spider-Man).
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ScalyWiltedAlligatorgar-mobile.mp4
Hell, the sheer fact that Sam can use his wings the way he does without killing himself shows he has plot-armour durability and always had. The guy even takes out massive, armored opponents without much issue.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/YellowishAlienatedHomalocephale-mobile.mp4
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RepulsiveTallArcticwolf-mobile.mp4
As I pointed out in the other thread as well, Walker literally tore Sam's wings off, something Bucky needed to use his robo arm to do in CA:TWS. So, even if we ignore the direct head to head between Walker and Buck, he has other feats that still put him above them strength-wise. The fact is even though the title of the show features them both, it's pretty clear Sam is the main star, so plot-armour is pretty much expected for him under those circumstances. Also, I wouldn't say he was easily overpowering Bucky. He was still visibly straining when they were grappling with each other or over the shield
Originally posted by FrothByte
Besides, It's not just Bucky's performance in TFATWS in any case. He's been getting nerfed ever since Civil War where he got outright humiliated by Spiderman and then later on in Infinity War when Cap and BP were outrunning everyone else in the army including Bucky who seemed to run only as fast as the other Wakandans.
Bucky got caught by Spidey because he jumped in the way to shield Falcon and then got webbed to the ground after they fell. His metal arm getting overpowered isn't a low showing seeing as Spider-Man was already strong enough there to catch and hold up a 27-odd ton jet bridge. And Steve should have gotten whooped as well, but it was his movie so Peter wasn't going to be allowed to beat him.
And Bucky likely didn't run ahead with those two during the Wakanda battle because it literally made no sense for him to do so. He was armed with a machine gun whereas they were armed with melee weapons. It'd be kind of dumb for him to run into melee combat when he was not geared up for it, while it made sense for the other two to do so, seeing as they had no ranged capabilities. We see in the second episode of TFATWS that Bucky was able to easily outpace a pair of trucks and jump onto one.
Walker is clearly a Super Duper Soldier. Even Cap has never sent anyone flying that far. Especially by throwing the shield at them.
And he hit Bucky hard enough to knock his arm out of whack for a little while.
They wouldn't have pointed out how awesome he was as a normal guy for no reason. And as it stands he's the only person injected with the SSS that was already a physical specimen. Steve was 100lbs soaking wet in the rain. Bucky was a normal soldier, Red Skull was a scientist, Blonsky was past his prime and nearing retirement, we never got to see young Isaiah in action. And the Flag Smashers were normal orphans before they juiced up. Walker was described as off the charts in every category prior to his injection. So it only makes sense he gets a little extra.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He punched him once and then had Falcon's help to put him down. And this was after Walker had his one arm broken.I'm going to say Drax actually. He got hyped up in the first GotG movie as this uber dangerous individual before being shown, but more often than not gets utterly humiliated when he fights anyone of note. Got utterly demolished by Ronan, took himself out of the fight against the Abilisk, was useless against Ego and barely fazed Thanos with his attacks. The only person he's beaten is Korath, and he did so by exploiting and targeting an exposed implant on his head.
Good call. Im gonna go with this as well. Totally forgot about him.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Bucky also smacked through a steel beam during that fight, so his vibranium arm clearly isn't weak. Unless we assume the arm, for whatever reason, fluctuates in power throughout the same fight, Walker being able to overpower him including that arm is a feat for Walker.
Maybe Walker had some hidden Celestial in his blood since Ego is his dad. 😄
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Bucky also smacked through a steel beam during that fight, so his vibranium arm clearly isn't weak. Unless we assume the arm, for whatever reason, fluctuates in power throughout the same fight, Walker being able to overpower him including that arm is a feat for Walker.
Is it because this is a gif or does the fight actually look that terrible?
Originally posted by Psychotron
Is it because this is a gif or does the fight actually look that terrible?
The original video the gif was made from was shit and gifs tend to reduce quality even further. Overall, the fight was done reasonably well IMO (especially for a TV show), though it could have done with less cuts used.