Originally posted by Arachnid1
I'm still really pissed about him losing to Star Lord. Dumbest chit
To be fair, Iron Man also got somewhat clowned by Star-Lord in that scene, who trapped Tony against that chunk of rubble with his one device. I think the scene was intended to show how powerful Quill's gear is. Because if Iron Man and Iron Spider struggle to muscle their way out of those devices they must be insanely strong.
I think him incapacitating Falcon and Bucky only to get incapacitated by Steve solo is still a lot worse in terms of jobbing.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
To be fair, Iron Man also got somewhat clowned by Star-Lord in that scene, who trapped Tony against that chunk of rubble with his one device. I think the scene was intended to show how powerful Quill's gear is. Because if Iron Man and Iron Spider struggle to muscle their way out of those devices they must be insanely strong.
Yeah but the way the scene played out with IM escaping that, and Spidey being held at gun point by Star Lord, definitely made Spidey come across worse.
Especially when dodging is like Spideys thing, not IMs.
IOW That scene showed Star Lord takes Spidey in a fight, but not necessarily IM, as IM being stronger and more durable than Spidey wouldnt be as threatened by a gun to his helmet.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah but the way the scene played out with IM escaping that, and Spidey being held at gun point by Star Lord, definitely made Spidey come across worse.Especially when dodging is like Spideys thing, not IMs.
Spidey didn't get good at dodging until Far From Home. Then he got to be the BEST at dodging.
Originally posted by KingD19
Spidey didn't get good at dodging until Far From Home. Then he got to be the BEST at dodging.
He was still at good at it, even without having worked out the full extent of his Spider Sense.
May even says to him early in FFH, that what you can dodge bullets but not a banana..
Hes not bullet proof (at least not without his spider armour suits), so wouldnt have lasted long crime fighting without dodging.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah but the way the scene played out with IM escaping that, and Spidey being held at gun point by Star Lord, definitely made Spidey come across worse.Especially when dodging is like Spideys thing, not IMs.
IOW That scene showed Star Lord takes Spidey in a fight, but not necessarily IM, as IM being stronger and more durable than Spidey wouldnt be as threatened by a gun to his helmet.
Iron Man only had time to escape because Star-Lord left him to go attack someone else. If he'd instead slapped the same device on Tony he used on Peter while he'd been stuck, Iron Man would probably have been pretty screwed. I mean he was basically defenseless while he slowly pulled himself loose. And Quill stuck that onto Tony in a grapple, so dodging didn't really factor in there.
We don't really know how Iron Man would have done if Star-Lord unloaded pointblank against his helmet while he was pinned. Those blasters actually have some decent feats. And considering Tony made both his suit and the Iron Spider, if one is susceptible to Quill's weapons the other one might also be.
Honestly, Star-Lord should get spanked by either Iron Man or Spider-Man without too much trouble, but they needed to make the Guardians presence matter on Titan, so made Star-Lord look extra good in that fight. Otherwise, the only useful member there would have been Mantis. Because Drax was getting owned by Strange's cloak.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
He was still at good at it, even without having worked out the full extent of his Spider Sense.May even says to him early in FFH, that what you can dodge bullets but not a banana..
Hes not bullet proof (at least not without his spider armour suits), so wouldnt have lasted long crime fighting without dodging.
Yeah he was good at it and dodged a whole lot in the movies before FFH, but he also got hit a lot too. In FFH he got so good he could dodge invisible bullets and sense stuff that had been manipulated in such a way it seemed real even when it wasn't.
If he'd had his full Tingle from the moment we saw him, he would've never lost a fight except maybe against Thanos.
Originally posted by Tagm4g
What happened with the Hulk and Thanos, was the Hulk was clearly stronger but Thanos had more precision. Precision and power are quotable though, so the longer that fight had gone on the worse it would have been for Thanos.
What are you talking about? The movie made it absolutely clear that Hulk was NOT stronger than Thanos. You know, how Thanos removed Hulk from his advantageous choking position and then downed him with a few blows.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Iron Man only had time to escape because Star-Lord left him to go attack someone else. If he'd instead slapped the same device on Tony he used on Peter while he'd been stuck, Iron Man would probably have been pretty screwed. I mean he was basically defenseless while he slowly pulled himself loose. And Quill stuck that onto Tony in a grapple, so dodging didn't really factor in there.We don't really know how Iron Man would have done if Star-Lord unloaded pointblank against his helmet while he was pinned. Those blasters actually have some decent feats. And considering Tony made both his suit and the Iron Spider, if one is susceptible to Quill's weapons the other one might also be.
Honestly, Star-Lord should get spanked by either Iron Man or Spider-Man without too much trouble, but they needed to make the Guardians presence matter on Titan, so made Star-Lord look extra good in that fight. Otherwise, the only useful member there would have been Mantis. Because Drax was getting owned by Strange's cloak.
I get that. What im saying is Spidey was portrayed as helpless against Star Lord. IM just temporarily subdued. Which comes across much worse for Spidey, as IM is stronger and more durable, whilst dodging is Spideys forte, but he got hit fairly easily.
Plus there was no clear cut answer who would have won between IM and SL. But there was between Spidey and SL.
So yeah They both jobbed against SL, but only Spidey definitively lost to him.
Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah he was good at it and dodged a whole lot in the movies before FFH, but he also got hit a lot too. In FFH he got so good he could dodge invisible bullets and sense stuff that had been manipulated in such a way it seemed real even when it wasn't.If he'd had his full Tingle from the moment we saw him, he would've never lost a fight except maybe against Thanos.
Yeah I get Spidey is better at dodging now. Doesnt change that he clearly jobbed to Starlord.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
To be fair, Iron Man also got somewhat clowned by Star-Lord in that scene, who trapped Tony against that chunk of rubble with his one device. I think the scene was intended to show how powerful Quill's gear is. Because if Iron Man and Iron Spider struggle to muscle their way out of those devices they must be insanely strong.I think him incapacitating Falcon and Bucky only to get incapacitated by Steve solo is still a lot worse in terms of jobbing.
Always found it weird how Spidey clowned Bucky and Falcon then almost got killed by Vulture.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Hulk was literally scared to engage with thanos... no hero was ever scared to fight.
We're not gonna do that. Hulk wasn't scared. It's been explained into the ground by now that Hulk wasn't afraid of Thanos. He was just tired of Banner using him as an attack dog when something needed to be smashed, then locking him in his head until the next time.
There's a reason he loved being on Sakaar so much, and Bruce explained how he and Hulk merged after he bettered himself mentally.
So Hulk wasn't scared, him getting beat up by Thanos was just the straw that broke the camels back.
Originally posted by KingD19
We're not gonna do that. Hulk wasn't scared. It's been explained into the ground by now that Hulk wasn't afraid of Thanos. He was just tired of Banner using him as an attack dog when something needed to be smashed, then locking him in his head until the next time.There's a reason he loved being on Sakaar so much, and Bruce explained how he and Hulk merged after he bettered himself mentally.
So Hulk wasn't scared, him getting beat up by Thanos was just the straw that broke the camels back.
That mf was scared