All-Star Superman Throws His Key (Part II)...

All-Star Superman picks up his key to the Fortress of Solitude and throws it as hard as he possibly can at the following characters individually. They are just standing in one spot and can physically brace themselves, but that's it... What happens to them?

-Wolverine
-Cap /w/ shield
-Gladiator
-WBH
-Cosmic Herald Thor
-Odin (classic)
-Knull

*Aside from Cap, no shielding of any kind is allowed.

The key:

-Wolverine; becomes a puddle of canadian goo.
-Cap /w/ shield; blows through the shield.
-Gladiator; wolverine has cut him (pretty sure thats canon), so the key would obliterate him.
-WBH; blows apart like a watermelon
-Cosmic Herald Thor; see above
-Odin (classic); see above
-Knull; probably tears through him, but he probably regens.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
-Wolverine; becomes a puddle of canadian goo.
-Cap /w/ shield; blows through the shield.
-Gladiator; wolverine has cut him (pretty sure thats canon), so the key would obliterate him.
-WBH; blows apart like a watermelon
-Cosmic Herald Thor; see above
-Odin (classic); see above
-Knull; probably tears through him, but he probably regens.

-Wolverine - he gets slung some distance, a lot of distance but his adamantium and healing factor saves him
-Cap /w/ shield - the force from the throw slings Cap shield into his body splitting him in half, or, the key bounce off the shield
-Gladiator - it goes through him. He dies or Survives depending on where Superman hit with the key
-WBH - it goes through him but he Survives and is pissed
-Cosmic Herald Thor - same as Gladiator
-Odin (classic) - tanks it
-Knull - same as Gladiator and Thor

Wbh survives, the rest well...

Wolverine - It would pass through him like a bullet but make a huge hole. He'd heal from it but is initially in pretty bad shape.

Captain America - It ricochets off of the shield, what happens next is anyone's guess.

Gladiator - He is arguably as strong as All Star Superman. I'm not sure how the throw would affect him?

WB Hulk - It bounces off of him.

Cosmic King Thor - He survived several attacks from a Universal plus character (Black Winter) he should be able to tank this.

Odin - If he's only allowed to stand there without amping himself up, he dies. Otherwise, if he is allowed to amp, he tanks the throw.

Knull - He tanks it.

Good post

Depends on how fast he can throw the key. It looks like he's lifting it casually from the scan.

I could lowball calculate how fast based off him one arm lifting 200 quintillion tons (1.78e24 newtons).

Force = mass*acceleration = 0.5 x mass x velocity^2/(throwing distance)

Or

velocity = sqrt (2 x throwing distance x force /mass)

mass = 500,000 tons or 4.5e8 kg
throwing distance = 1 meter (lowball estimate)
force = 200 quintillion tons or 1.77e24 newtons (lowball estimate since that wasn't Superman max)

So lowball velocity = sqrt ( 2 x 1 x 1.77e24/4.5e8) meters/second
= 8.8e7 m/s

Now for some perspective.

Kinetic energy = 0.5 x mass x velocity^2 = 0.5 x 4.5e8 x (8.8e7) ^2 joules
Or 1.7e24 J
How significant is that?

Well
1 megaton bomb = 4.18e15 joules of energy

So the kinetic energy of the key would be at least 1.7e24/4.18e15
or equivalent to a 4e8 megaton bomb.
That's a 400 million megaton bomb!

The average nuclear warhead yield is about 1 megaton.

The largest nuclear bomb yield ever tested was a 50 megaton bomb.
That's 8 million times (or of) the most powerful nuclear bomb(s) ever tested.
And thats not even considering the cutting (penetrating) pressure.
If it doesn't penetrate or pass through (still imparting much energy inside the character) then it would produce ALL the energy stated above on the character.

Its fair to say that all these characters would be dead EXCEPT possibly WBH.

Check my math. Did things quickly.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wolverine - It would pass through him like a bullet but make a huge hole. He'd heal from it but is initially in pretty bad shape.

Captain America - It ricochets off of the shield, what happens next is anyone's guess.

Gladiator - He is arguably as strong as All Star Superman. I'm not sure how the throw would affect him?

WB Hulk - It bounces off of him.

Cosmic King Thor - He survived several attacks from a Universal plus character (Black Winter) he should be able to tank this.

Odin - If he's only allowed to stand there without amping himself up, he dies. Otherwise, if he is allowed to amp, he tanks the throw.

Knull - He tanks it.

Saying it bounces off Hulk is ludicrous.

i wonder how fast he can throw it. that would be a very large determining factor in deciding what happens... can he throw it at the speed of light? half light speed? not sure how it can be addressed unless we have an idea of how fast the thing is moving.

You are an absolutely mindbaffling person H1. How you are able to do math like that on the spot is absolutely incredible and then resorting to some of the tactics you use is even more incredible. And yes , I mean that as a compliment.

No one here is "tanking" this. Survive it -wbh,cosmic Thor, Odin(amped), knull (regen)

Everyone else including caps shield and wolverines pelvis either become fragmentation or hit pluto before they realize they were hit.

And not sure on the actual rules but unless stated I'm going to assume Supes is aiming center mass like your average law enforcement correct?

Originally posted by leonidas
i wonder how fast he can throw it. that would be a very large determining factor in deciding what happens... can he throw it at the speed of light? half light speed? not sure how it can be addressed unless we have an idea of how fast the thing is moving.

So my guess is... Really f*cking fast. 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
He casually pressed upwards of 200 quintillion tons with one arm. Even though the key is extremely heavy, it's still 400 TRILLION times lighter than the aforementioned.

So my guess is... Really f*cking fast. 😛

👆

Originally posted by leonidas
i wonder how fast he can throw it. that would be a very large determining factor in deciding what happens... can he throw it at the speed of light? half light speed? not sure how it can be addressed unless we have an idea of how fast the thing is moving.

I calculated a lowball estimate above.

Originally posted by carver9
-Gladiator - it goes through him. He dies or Survives depending on where Superman hit with the key

and why someone has never drafted A-S superman in a tourney JUST to use this tactic is beyond me. feel like youd dominate lol. 😕

Actually guys, we might be looking at this all wrong. Its still a bullet sized object. Bullets don't explode objects when they hit them. So why would this? It should just pass through everyone here correct? And just make a rather large exit wound?

I know this is comics but everything we know about ls is basically theory or from the giant spectromc****ery in switzerland.

So maybe it does to them what a .50 can does to a human being? I dont think anyone explodes from this. That key would be leaving the solar system before a regular human would see the blood turns from blue to red (or green or purple or whatever) though.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Actually guys, we might be looking at this all wrong. Its still a bullet sized object. Bullets don't explode objects when they hit them. So why would this? It should just pass through everyone here correct? And just make a rather large exit wound?

I know this is comics but everything we know about ls is basically theory or from the giant spectromc****ery in switzerland.

So maybe it does to them what a .50 can does to a human being? I dont think anyone explodes from this. That key would be leaving the solar system before a regular human would see the blood turns from blue to red (or green or purple or whatever) though.

Eh, I thought bullets DO explode objects.

Google what happens when you shoot watermelons, for example.

I imagine the result would be similar to what happens to a watermelon when you shoot it with a 50 cal.

The key weighs 500,000 tons, but from Superman's perspective, would feel lighter than a grain of rice... and he's throwing it as hard as he can here.

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DS is a ninja. 🙁

Well, these are beings that swim through stars and withstands the pressure of Abstracts and solar system/Galaxy destroying blasts to the face. Huge argument can be made on a lot of these people withstanding it. It just depends on where he throws it imo.

Just assume he's aiming mid-sternum.

Originally posted by Galan007
He casually pressed upwards of 200 quintillion tons with one arm. Even though the key is extremely heavy, it's still 400 TRILLION times lighter than the aforementioned.

So my guess is... Really f*cking fast. 😛

😂

agreed. i actually don't think the impact would be the same as the watermelon example though. i think it would be more like the impact a non-explosive round shot from a railgun would have. that's to say it would leave a hole roughly the size of the projectile/key in the target. the problem is if he's able to throw it near light speed (a possibility? does anyone know how fast superman has ever thrown anything...?) we'd have additional real world physics effects vs comic physics effects.

i think the closest analogy might be that it would act as an IMP from flash. you could say it's obviously heavier, but the IM in IMP means INFINITE MASS. but...comic physics right? IN THEORY, if he threw it at light speed, it should be...infinitely powerful. but we know that's not how comics work.

imo, i think the key would make an initial hole, then the kinetic energy would radiate outwards through the target. if we use an IMP as an example of what that could mean in a comic (superman has used his body in a similar way) we might be able to say the key would act similarly to an IMP from the flash, with maybe the added bonus of leaving a key-sized hole in whoever it hit. i really don't know if it would penetrate the shield. i have my doubts, but there's no way it could absorb all the energy from the key so basically i think steve would be vibrated into goo. if you think the others could survive an IMP, i'd suggest they could likely survive this.

maybe. 😂

**EDIT: of course i think when superman used his body to deliver an IMP, he destroyed...a planet i think, or a moon? he was a lot bigger than flash's fist though or the key, but it could be argued it would hit with something like planet-busting force? lol comics....