All-Star Superman Throws His Key (Part II)...

It also depends on the showings we are using for these characters. Example...

Gladiator survived without a scratch a blast that was capable of destroying half of the solar system. He's also swam in sun's, etc...

Odin shrugged off a Galaxy destroying blast on multiple of occasions while standing over his opponent.

Thor endured the full might of a pissed off Celestial. I still feel like he would get pierced but I doubt he would explode on impact. If Supes goes for the skull, Thor is a goner.

Yes, I know there are differences in the attacks vs the key but if I can survive abstract level attacks, I doubt piercing or blunt changes things.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-watermelons-explode-when-shot-at-with-a-revolver-as-oppose-to-bullet-cleanly-going-through

Some guy on the internet (I know, reliable source) says that an object that’s mostly water will explode if a bullet’s pressure, when transmitted throughout the fluid, hits the threshold needed to overcome the integrity of the container.

Obviously comic book physics aren’t so precise but I agree with DS. Supes could explode people real good with that key.

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in this case the bullet would pass through so fast, the explosion wouldn't happen until after it exited. then it's a question of whether or not the target could withstand the explosion.

People still don't explode when shot...like this is a fact of life. You can browse through thousands upon thousands of people being shot by a single small arms fire round and not one of them exploded. Thats all I am saying.

Now since we are arguing about something being thrown at above lightspeed it still wouldn't be a true omnidirectional explosion. That force has a single direction and its going to drag the majority of said object more in a cone shaped manner.

Melons explode because they are highly pressurized containers with zero openings. Our skin keeps us intact and our circulatory system is highly pressurized. Mulitple parts of our body are not, otherwise our lungs would not be able to inflate and our intestines would not expand when filled with food. Quit using fruits to simulate what a human body would do when hit. That makes zero sense.

You’ve likely seen the rail gun videos. I think it’d be more like that. The projectile penetrated the target then there is an explosion that follows it. Of course at these speeds it’s almost impossible to say with any close to certainty what would happen. Factoring in comics? Anyone’s guess is about equal. 🤷‍♂️

If you shoot pheasants with a 243 or above they go kablammo!

The exit wounds of deer sometimes has a big kablooey effect if you hit the guts and it ruins a lot of meat. But like you can shoot the head with a 308 and it doesn't go kablooey!

I guess I can see it both ways. You'd think it'd have like no resistance if Superman threw a key at you so a lot of that energy isn't acting upon what it's touching. On the other hand we could just be pheasants.

Very scientific debate so far. Both dwell in darkness but one needs light to thrive. Interesting contrast.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
People still don't explode when shot...like this is a fact of life. You can browse through thousands upon thousands of people being shot by a single small arms fire round and not one of them exploded. Thats all I am saying.

Now since we are arguing about something being thrown at above lightspeed it still wouldn't be a true omnidirectional explosion. That force has a single direction and its going to drag the majority of said object more in a cone shaped manner.

Melons explode because they are highly pressurized containers with zero openings. Our skin keeps us intact and our circulatory system is highly pressurized. Mulitple parts of our body are not, otherwise our lungs would not be able to inflate and our intestines would not expand when filled with food. Quit using fruits to simulate what a human body would do when hit. That makes zero sense.

Lots of teachers have sex with water melons and Leo is a teacher... hmm...

https://www.thesudburystar.com/2018/05/15/teacher-had-sex-with-watermelon-ex-student-tells-sudbury-trial

Makes sense he's defending melons here.

actually i was on the railgun side of things. draw what parallels from that as you will. 👆

Its neat, regardless if they showed that key bouncing off someone it would be q serious wtf moment.

lol yeah... you could have 5 artists/writers independently tell the event, and all 5 would likely be quite a bit different.

I'm just curious on how far and fast he can throw it. I can casually pick up a barbell but I sure as h*** ain't tossing it extremely far. Especially as far as a baseball, etc...

The Key would be highly unstable against phase transition. Dwarf star matter can only exist as dwarf star matter (technically, this is electron-degenerate matter) within the enormous gravitational field of a dwarf star. Remove a key-sized chunk of it and bring it to a 1-atm environment, and it would explosively return back to "normal" state of matter. I don't know which mechanism is keeping the Key stable but I'm sure if Superman threw it at someone at full strength, this mechanism would fail, triggering the phase transition.

Some physics follows.

We aim to calculate the electron-degeneracy pressure active within the Key. Electrons are fermions and obey the Pauli exclusion principle: when matter is compressed into dwarf-star densities, its electrons experience a repulsive quantum effect, which then produces an extremely high pressure. It is, in fact, this pressure that prevents a white dwarf star from collapsing further into a neutron star or black hole.

In a dwarf star, gravity and electron-degeneracy pressure are in balance. But in a key-sized piece of dwarf star material, self-gravity is insignificant next to this pressure (I can show the math, upon request), so that as soon as the "mystery mechanism" I referred to above fails, the key will detonate with extreme violence.

The electron degeneracy pressure P_e is given by:

Here, h_bar is the reduced Planck's constant and m_e the electron mass, which are well-known physical constants. In order to calculate P_e, we thus need electron number density ρ_e within the key. The mass of the key is 4.5E8 kg, which means that it contains approximately 2.7E35 nucleons. There are approximately 2 nucleons for each electron in dwarf star material, yielding 1.35E35 electrons in this case. The volume of the key is about 1E-6 m^3. Thus

ρ_e = 1.35E41 electrons / cubic meter.

Plugging this in the expression for P_e yields:

P_e = 8.3E30 pascals.

This is a truly ridiculous outward pressure. Assuming the surface area of the Key is 6E-4 m^2, this corresponds to an outward force of 5E27 newtons. This is equivalent to the weight of 5E26 kilograms under standard gravity, i.e. the weight of approximately 80 Earths.

So, once the Key has penetrated its hapless target, it likely detonates with the force equal to the weight of 80 Earths. This would erase every single being on the OP's list.

FURTHER READING:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_degeneracy_pressure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_exclusion_principle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleon

which is why we kept saying comic book physics....RL physics almost never apply, even when the writer tries to take it into account--re: flash.

but if you're saying you don't know what would happen in a comic, welcome to the group. 👆

In comic books The Thing punches harder than Quicksilver or Speed Demon. And using real life his fingers should pierce even worse than the key.

It's all about strength when this stuff is in comics and All Star has in abundance. I'd say he hurts everybody and those who regenerate survive.I still honestly can't wrap my head around Knull being above Odin even though he is.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm just curious on how far and fast he can throw it. I can casually pick up a barbell but I sure as h*** ain't tossing it extremely far. Especially as far as a baseball, etc...

So while it's difficult to calc-out an exact speed that Supes could potentially throw the key, it would still be... absurdly fast.

just came here to read magnon's post

Originally posted by Magnon
The Key would be highly unstable against phase transition. Dwarf star matter can only exist as dwarf star matter (technically, this is [B]electron-degenerate matter) within the enormous gravitational field of a dwarf star. Remove a key-sized chunk of it and bring it to a 1-atm environment, and it would explosively return back to "normal" state of matter. I don't know which mechanism is keeping the Key stable but I'm sure if Superman threw it at someone at full strength, this mechanism would fail, triggering the phase transition.

Some physics follows.

We aim to calculate the electron-degeneracy pressure active within the Key. Electrons are fermions and obey the Pauli exclusion principle: when matter is compressed into dwarf-star densities, its electrons experience a repulsive quantum effect, which then produces an extremely high pressure. It is, in fact, this pressure that prevents a white dwarf star from collapsing further into a neutron star or black hole.

In a dwarf star, gravity and electron-degeneracy pressure are in balance. But in a key-sized piece of dwarf star material, self-gravity is insignificant next to this pressure (I can show the math, upon request), so that as soon as the "mystery mechanism" I referred to above fails, the key will detonate with extreme violence.

The electron degeneracy pressure P_e is given by:

Here, h_bar is the reduced Planck's constant and m_e the electron mass, which are well-known physical constants. In order to calculate P_e, we thus need electron number density ρ_e within the key. The mass of the key is 4.5E8 kg, which means that it contains approximately 2.7E35 nucleons. There are approximately 2 nucleons for each electron in dwarf star material, yielding 1.35E35 electrons in this case. The volume of the key is about 1E-6 m^3. Thus

ρ_e = 1.35E41 electrons / cubic meter.

Plugging this in the expression for P_e yields:

P_e = 8.3E30 pascals.

This is a truly ridiculous outward pressure. Assuming the surface area of the Key is 6E-4 m^2, this corresponds to an outward force of 5E27 newtons. This is equivalent to the weight of 5E26 kilograms under standard gravity, i.e. the weight of approximately 80 Earths.

So, once the Key has penetrated its hapless target, it likely detonates with the force equal to the weight of 80 Earths. This would erase every single being on the OP's list.

FURTHER READING:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_degeneracy_pressure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_exclusion_principle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleon [/B]

I can write the word boobies on a calculator.

On a serious note, so just dlsitting there, the key could explode with 80 earthweights going outward huh? There you go guys. Got your Michael Bay splosions. Happy now?

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I can write the word boobies on a calculator.

On a serious note, so just dlsitting there, the key could explode with 80 earthweights going outward huh? There you go guys. Got your Michael Bay splosions. Happy now?

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