Superboy Prime vs universe 616

Originally posted by Diesldude
dc has been crap lately lol. We also need writer commentary on each panel or whatever is depicted and stated is all pis and actually the opposite is true.

Dont present my take as something that its not. Statements from reputable characters are just fine (by that i mean those established in continuity as intelligent and reliable for example your Batmans, Reed Richards, T'Challas etc and not accepting opinions on the inner workings of the universe from Solomon Grundy or the Hulk lol)

You would have Superboy Prime saying he doesnt know how something has happened (the changes in reality) or vocalising clear confusion saying he thinks hes dead, then choosing to believe its all real and then say to the forum "Look guys Superboy Prime says its real (ignoring his vocalized uncertainty) then assert its canon.

It is all about conclusive evidence when it comes to debates. Theres got to be some kind of grounding and framework to work with. Otherwise its people referencing fanfiction and making up their own rules as opposed to canon, official material.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think it would be a reach to call it a standard ability at this point. I think we need to see more Kryptonians doing it, tbh. That's just me though.

I see the whole "nova" thing, at least in Superman's case, as ending up on the trash heap of forgotten abilities with T-RAO etc.

Lets call it an ability that DC continuity has shown Kryptonians have potential for. 😉

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think it would be a reach to call it a standard ability at this point. I think we need to see more Kryptonians doing it, tbh. That's just me though.

I see the whole "nova" thing, at least in Superman's case, as ending up on the trash heap of forgotten abilities with T-RAO etc.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Lets call it an ability that DC continuity has shown Kryptonians have potential for. 😉

Sure, I have nothing against that.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I agree with this. Prime and Superman are above the rest and have feats that other kryptonians could only dream of.

Well yeah, the comics have been pretty explicit about that so it's not hard to argue.

Cool. So after all of that fanfare, nothings really changed 😆

616 wins. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cool. So after all of that fanfare, nothings really changed 😆

616 wins. 😉

Originally posted by Diesldude
Prime rejects him and punches DK.

Altering reality

DC heroes see him from the sky. This is also the event ascended wW saw in the following comic.

And then we have the scene GS sticks to as conclusion of the battle and a victory for DK.

He is using this scene to say prime is dead . But next page has prime reading about it. This means that prime is alive and well after in his universe after the events of this fight.

How does GS explain this? He says that prime is in the afterlife lmao. Let’s look at the next page.

if you read top panel, it’s like he’s answering GS directly lol smh says no it’s not the afterlife, he really is home.

See even the comic is shutting down GS’s arguments. Lol point blank saying no it’s not the afterlife he really is home. GS just got owned by prime himself. 😂

So you put a thumbs up, huh? This is a farce. First of all to all of the hard headed wonders, if you had the innate ability to see the future, alter reality, and erase entire time lines, why the phuck would you ever have to get into a fist fight? DK phucking jobbed. Do the characters of 616 Marvel have to job as well?

Prime wins after all the whinging is done

Should I go by comics or by what Golden Week Thingy copy-pasted from wattpad?

I can't decide!

Originally posted by Stoic
So you put a thumbs up, huh? This is a farce. First of all to all of the hard headed wonders, if you had the innate ability to see the future, alter reality, and erase entire time lines, why the phuck would you ever have to get into a fist fight? DK phucking jobbed. Do the characters of 616 Marvel have to job as well?

I’m not sure if you read the comic but i posted the entire fight.

And then even GS admitted that prime has reality altering retcon punch.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thank for this Qwerty.

This has actually convinced me that the reality altering punch is actually a thing.
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But theres no doubting the retcon punch lives 😉

See the fight again, DK survived those punches, reality was getting destroyed, those punches had crises energy. It’s actually more likely that those punches made DK helpless instead of DK forgetting to use his other powers. You can see DK was helpless against prime, nothing worked, he was on his knees begging, imagine a near all powerful being resorting to begging on his knees before prime. That would be the last option for a guy that is as smart as Batman and more powerful than perpetua.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Should I go by comics or by what Golden Week Thingy copy-pasted from wattpad?

I can't decide!

My post? I had too many images so kmc wasn’t letting me post it entirely on one post. Didn’t want to lose the changes so I copied to a notepad, redid my post because I lost much of my post and then copied and pasted it back here in separate posts.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I’m not sure if you read the comic but i posted the entire fight.

And then even GS admitted that prime has reality altering retcon punch.

See the fight again, DK survived those punches, reality was getting destroyed, those punches had crises energy. It’s actually more likely that those punches made DK helpless instead of DK forgetting to use his other powers. You can see DK was helpless against prime, nothing worked, he was on his knees begging, imagine a near all powerful being resorting to begging on his knees before prime. That would be the last option for a guy that is as smart as Batman and more powerful than perpetua.

How does that stop an Abstract with reality and time manipulation powers from erasing his time line? There was a time that he wasn't exactly super. There was also a time when Monarch gave him a better fight than DK.

Originally posted by Stoic
How does that stop an Abstract with reality and time manipulation powers from erasing his time line? There was a time that he wasn't exactly super. There was also a time when Monarch gave him a better fight than DK.

Originally posted by Diesldude
My post? I had too many images so kmc wasn’t letting me post it entirely on one post. Didn’t want to lose the changes so I copied to a notepad, redid my post because I lost much of my post and then copied and pasted it back here in separate posts.

Originally posted by Diesldude
so if you admitted that prime has reality altering/retcon punches then it’s no surprise he defeated DK. Prime winsZ

Ive explained in my posts on page 13.

Primes reality altering is random, he has no control over its effects and its delivery mechanism is limited to his punches.

He cant think of a specific effect or outcome and punch it into existence. Most of the time he just punches and the reality warping happens as an unintentional side effect.

"What the?....Why?...What did i just do?!"

https://imgur.com/d4EhDbF

So its use offensively is limited

1) Because he cant turn it on at will, it just turns on randomly with a trigger thats yet to be defined in the comics

2) Its delivery mechanism is a punch meaning he has to travel to something to apply the effect and he can only effect what he can physically hit, unlike a high level reality warper that can just think of an outcome and will it into existence.

So the battle remains PIS as Darkest Knights Dr Manhattan powerset means he shouldve been able to :

foresee the battle and therefore prepare
alter history to remove SBP as a threat
make himself intangible so that SBP couldnt even make physical contact with him to apply his power
Have the insight to generate red sun radiation to incapicitate SBP.

He just had too many options at his disposal to take SBP out yet the story was written to not include the use of those abilities. Thats textbook Plot Induced Stupidity.

Given the PIS at play, SBPs showing is inadmissable as evidence for his prowess against beings you believe Darkest Knight could beat.

Its the forum rules

Originally posted by Diesldude
Prime rejects him and punches DK.

Altering reality

DC heroes see him from the sky. This is also the event ascended wW saw in the following comic.

And then we have the scene GS sticks to as conclusion of the battle and a victory for DK.

He is using this scene to say prime is dead . But next page has prime reading about it. This means that prime is alive and well after in his universe after the events of this fight.

How does GS explain this? He says that prime is in the afterlife lmao. Let’s look at the next page.

if you read top panel, it’s like he’s answering GS directly lol smh says no it’s not the afterlife, he really is home.

See even the comic is shutting down GS’s arguments. Lol point blank saying no it’s not the afterlife he really is home. GS just got owned by prime himself. 😂

Thanks to Qwertys submission of some actual conclusive on panel evidence, this post can be revisited and I can now interpret the scene differently.

SBPs reality altering punch was activated randomly (by some as yet to be revealed trigger) and he realises that when he strikes DKs creations he can alter reality somehow and subvert the evil archetypes for good.

Still not knowing how this ability works, he wonders if killing DK would result in this effect occurring on a wider scale affecting all of the 52 planets DK had created.

He attacks DK resulting in temporary subversions of the evil for good

However DK retreats to gain his bearing after the initial attack and the evil dominates again.

SBP makes the ultimate sacrifice and throws his all behind one final attack spoiling Darkest Knights plans whilst SBP appears to be dead and Cybord Supes saying whoever stopped DK is dead.

We then are presented with a scene from Earth Prime where SBP has reverted to his teenage appearance and wonders if hes dead, he steps outside and comments on how bright everything is (typical light, bright after-life portrayal) and he questions still if its real and then he says no and chooses to believe it is real.

We as readers are left wondering at that point if Superboy Prime is dead and in an after life or if hes unconscious and just dreaming.

That was all in Death Metal Secret Origins.

The issue is then followed up with Death Metal 7 which confirmed a very much lifeless SBP falling short of confirming but giving a clear indication that Superboy Prime is dead.

Interpret how you will. That point has yet to be given any conclusive clarification 🙂

Originally posted by Stoic
How does that stop an Abstract with reality and time manipulation powers from erasing his time line? There was a time that he wasn't exactly super. There was also a time when Monarch gave him a better fight than DK.

This is what they dont get. 👆

Originally posted by Diesldude
No doubt, forget monarch, Conner gave him a better fight lol. Prime just got that powerful. In all of his earlier showings, he’s never had his fist glowing with crises energy. It’s the same color as DK’s energy blasts. It was different in the WW scene when she asked him to destroy the tower.
So his power was changing/ increasing. Against monarch he ripped his suit that was able to contain universes destroying energy, against DK he actually could have snatched DK’s power. He’s never shown that ability has he? Against a being on DK’s level? So this prime was a whole another animal.

Brooo. Dont go back to supposition.

See how Qwerty changed the game with some conclusive evidence? On panel character statements verifying events or writer narration.

You may very well end up being correct with some interpretations, but you cant assert it as so until an official source gives explicit evidence.

Prime ponders on whether he could take Darkest Knights power, you cant assert that he wouldve been able to when he didnt actually go through with it and the fact that the resultant backlash of power from that final blow he gave to DK appears to have killed him or at the very least incapacitated him long term.

So theres evidence right there that the power that Darkest Knight wields is way too much for SBP to contain.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
No, it wasn't directed at you bro.

You are entirely too old to get so aggressive and hold grudges because someone doesnt agree with your opinion. Thats life. Keeps things interesting and actually facilitates debate. You gotta do better bro 👆