Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I think its cool.They're long established as power batteries so being able to unleash it in ways other than as heat vision seems like a natural extension/evolution 🙂
Sure, and they've done so before. But that Supergirl scan is weird. It almost looks like the time Superman became overcharged and was in danger of nuking everything around him.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not at all. Being able to absorb and emit energy is a standard part of the Kryptonian powerset. Thats long been established. Its no secret. They absorb solar energy and thats the key behind all of their other abilities. gives them their strength and theyre able to emit it in basic ways. Heat vision, to empower their strikes or to do a wider scale emission as ive demonstrated.SBP has absorbed emotional spectrum energy and the only verified end result was he became even more of a brick. 🙂
The burden of responsibility lies with you to show us where its confirmed that SBP or any kryptonian go further than just energy absorption and emission to actual high level energy manipulation. 😖hifty:
I'll wait 😄
So I ask again based on the entire fight did prime win or not?
What prime got was not what DK offered. He’s alive eventhough everyone even ascended ww thinks he’s dead.
Laurie no longer thinks he’s a monster and he’s redeemed himself in the eyes of dcu.
So with the entire fight on the last 2 pages, did Prime win or not?
Originally posted by Diesldude
That’s moving the goal post attempt here.So I ask again based on the entire fight did prime win or not?
What prime got was not what DK offered. He’s alive eventhough everyone even ascended ww thinks he’s dead.
Laurie no longer thinks he’s a monster and he’s redeemed himself in the eyes of dcu.So with the entire fight on the last 2 pages, did Prime win or not?
If he ended up dead as indicated then he most definitely did not win the fight. Especially if his opponent was left unfazed and went about his business.
SBP was a big obstacle for Darkest Knight and managed to ruin his plan, so he got a win in terms of that objective, but ultimately he lost conclusively showing that they were far from equals 🙁
Originally posted by GalacticStormAs for SBPs yellow tinged energy. Krptonians are power batteries and both Clark and Kara have pulsated with energy during battles and even unleashed it to empower their strikes:
Supergirl
Superman
So a Krptonian crackling with energy during a fight isnt something thats exclusive to SBP
Your bias is showing. I won’t talk about the Supergirl scene since I don’t know the context, but the Superman is an far left field view youre taking just to make Prime lose.
That energy Superman release is called the solar flare, and it was designed for Superman specifically.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If he ended up dead as indicated then he most definitely did not win the fight. Especially if his opponent was left unfazed and went about his business.SBP was a big obstacle for Darkest Knight and managed to ruin his plan, so he got a win in terms of that objective, but ultimately he lost conclusively showing that they were far from equals 🙁
Even though prime rejected his offer,
Had DK on his knees prostrating in front of his feet.
Prime said he beat him, DK never stated otherwise.
Prime got what he wanted not what DK offered.
Prime is doing all the beating while DK is doing the pleading.
And finally he’s alive reading about the event after safely restoring his universe.
And you still think DK won?
Well guys this is what we’re dealing with here. Talking to a guy in denial is just a waste of time. I caught him like this multiple times already but this is pretty clear cut. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see he’s wrong and will never admit it. Normally people just move on to another thread but this guy has unlimited free time so just goes back in circles. 👆
I’m done.
Originally posted by SquallX
Your bias is showing. I won’t talk about the Supergirl scene since I don’t know the context, but the Superman is an far left field view youre taking just to make Prime lose.That energy Superman release is called the solar flare, and it was designed for Superman specifically.
My bias is showing how?
You have two Kryptonians demonstrating the ability to absorb and emit solar energy and yet you want to ignore the explicit comic evidence and tell me its a Superman only ability as that suits your agenda? 😱
Originally posted by Diesldude
Even though prime rejected his offer,
Had DK on his knees prostrating in front of his feet.
Prime said he beat him, DK never stated otherwise.
Prime got what he wanted not what DK offered.
Prime is doing all the beating while DK is doing the pleading.
And finally he’s alive reading about the event after safely restoring his universe.And you still think DK won?
Well guys this is what we’re dealing with here. Talking to a guy in denial is just a waste of time. I caught him like this multiple times already but this is pretty clear cut. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see he’s wrong and will never admit it. Normally people just move on to another thread but this guy has unlimited free time so just goes back in circles. 👆
I’m done.
Prime died/was left incapacitated. How can you strike that up as winning the confrontation? DK was able to walk away and still had the resources to have a cosmic battle with Wonder Woman.
Superboy Prime meanwhile:
Sure doesnt look like a win to me.
He did help the heroes win ultimately via his sacrifice.
TBH I didnt follow the conversation so mabe what I say next could be wrong due to some misunderstanding of the context in this conversation.
But I dont think SBP's powerset just a regular kryptonian
Originally posted by Galan007
I know your post wasn't directed at me, but I thought I'd weigh-in...First off, I originally posted those panels from IC to convey the fact that even Alex Luthor was awestruck by the effect that Prime's punches were having on the whole of reality -- he had absolutely no clue how or why such a thing was possible. All he knew is that reality was being restructured before his eyes.
And as has been mentioned ad nauseam: even though Prime had a fixed location/nexus point to strike, that obviously isn't a feat that any random character can replicate. We know this because Kal-L furiously punched/shattered those same walls "for what seems like hours", and caused no repercussions to reality:
https://ibb.co/0ZDTbtB
https://ibb.co/ZGthQ0P_______________________
1.) In that particular scene, the artistic/authorial intent seemed to be that Prime was punching the mirror-like 'wall' of the Phantom Zone itself, imo. Hence this:
Full scene:
https://ibb.co/K6ySPYx
https://ibb.co/2KtXVXR
https://ibb.co/KGbnB1v
https://ibb.co/Kbjg050
https://ibb.co/P5JtLRvI understand that the PZ having a defined space and/or bordering walls doesn't make much sense, but different writers often do whatever they want in cases like this(especially those involving Prime.) Now as for how punching out of the PZ could have altered continuity: I have no rational explanation for that. The PZ isn't historically defined as a multiversal nexus point(certainly not in the same way the Limbo realm or DN are)... But as mentioned in the above scene- that's just what Prime does(nonsensical as it may be):
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2.) Indeed. When Prime struck the Superman knockoff(aka. "Saint"😉, his native world/reality was altered as a direct corollary:
https://ibb.co/qd4JzGSYet when the mainstream Supermen beat the shit out of Saint, his world/reality was never stated(or implied) to have been altered as a result:
https://ibb.co/YXXyRTG
https://ibb.co/mDqC1QxAt this point it is abundantly clear that Prime's punches have an innate ability to alter/affect reality in ways no other being(barring high-end reality manipulators) can... When connecting with certain 'targets' that are in some way intrinsically tied-to creation.
This is an 'ability' that even Rip Hunter mentioned(and found ridiculous) after the events of IC:
https://ibb.co/sKxxMfG
"Everything in history predating the re-creation of the multiverse has gone malleable. Thanks mostly to Mr. Mind and that Kryptonian boy's tantrums, which I still find ridiculous to believe...Punching history. Please..."But it is what it is... /shrug
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3.) Indeed. The battle between Perpetua and DN was being waged across every facet of reality, for multiple issues(to the point where the Source/Overvoid sent in the Chronicler to observe the multiverse's end):
https://ibb.co/bg6MSzx
https://ibb.co/whYLdWV...Yet even Perpetua's attacks were never implied to have subsequently altered DN's creation in a similar manner to Prime's strikes:
https://ibb.co/LY0LZjj
https://ibb.co/51KvGJW
https://ibb.co/C04WWcvNot sure why Prime being able to punch continuity so hard that it switches forms is being lowballed/downplayed to such extremes..? The fact that it is completely illogical doesn't change the fact that he's... Done it. 😕
I think the best way to look at this is, given that Geoff Johns wrote both of them, is how he writes the Phantom Zone.This exact same Phantom Zone effect was shown when Zod trapped Superman in the Phantom Zone:
https://ibb.co/2FTJ4Yz
https://ibb.co/s3JFq65
Now, that is from the outside perspective. What is visible from inside the Phantom Zone? This:
https://ibb.co/Vjt8yYv
You can see the main Universe from there. But how?Well, it's explained here:
https://ibb.co/Fq1zsL8
https://ibb.co/fpd4jQn
https://ibb.co/7RVyX6R
https://ibb.co/ggc097f
1). Those are just 'leaks' of images/sounds.
2). You become a Phantom inside thereSo essentially, Prime at best punched the echos of the mainstream so hard that it retconned the history of Beast Boy in the mainstream DCU itself.
It's like me punching my laptop showing a youtube video of Nickelback while I'm on Apokolips and retconning the real life Nickelback into Santana.
So...yeah. He seems to just need not to punch 'air' - i.e. he can punch reality walls [paradise dimension], he can punch images/sounds [phantom zone], or he can punch characters [alternate Supes/TBWL], and he reality warps. And even then -- the fact that he punched to the 5th dimension while he was Superman Prime lends doubt even to that fact. It seems he can punch hard to trigger his reality warping at will.
Originally posted by GalacticStormim not going to get into it, this was addressed already. And you’re just making yourself look worse.
Prime died/was left incapacitated. How can you strike that up as winning the confrontation? DK was able to walk away and still had the resources to have a cosmic battle with Wonder Woman.Superboy Prime meanwhile:
Sure doesnt look like a win to me.
He did help the heroes win ultimately via his sacrifice.
But here you’re sticking to a panel of an event that occurred before prime is safe in his universe reading about it as proof that prime lost, while there is on panel statements and evidence that he won. This kinda makes you a hypocrite. No insult intended here.
Originally posted by Bentleydc has been crap lately lol. We also need writer commentary on each panel or whatever is depicted and stated is all pis and actually the opposite is true.
I disagree with this way of reading and debating, but since Prime's powerset is sh*t when it comes to plot I almost want GS's reading to be true as it'd be better writting
Originally posted by carver9
The solar flare ability was used continuously by Supergirl. She also used it during her fight against Wonder Woman, so it's obviously isn't exclusive to just Supes.
On the off chance you might be right, do you know what arcs/issue numbers that is? I'd like to have a look.
It's a stupid power that should never be used, but if it exists, it exists.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
TBH I didnt follow the conversation so mabe what I say next could be wrong due to some misunderstanding of the context in this conversation.
But I dont think SBP's powerset just a regular kryptonian
Thank for this Qwerty.
This has actually convinced me that the reality altering punch is actually a thing.
That rip hunter scan makes specific reference to it.
Conclusive evidence makes all the difference 👆
Does this change the battle from being PIS? No.
As it is still an effect dependent on physical contact and there appears to be little control or understanding over its effects, kind of like old school Wandas hexes, thereby limiting the effectiveness its application in a battle scenario, then there is the fact that a number of powers DK couldve brought into play that he didnt such as the aforementioned time alteration, matter manipuation to create red suns etc
So the battle was almost certainly PIS.
But theres no doubting the retcon punch lives 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The new 52 Supergirl issues 7 and 9
Thanks. Looks like she did it in #17 as well.
I don't think anyone else has done that though. Superman's version was at least somewhat different as it was a complete expelling of all his solar energy, so I don't really know we can call this a standard ability for Kryptonians.
Then again, Snyder's a hack so who ****ing knows what was going through his mind.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Qwertie I briefly considered pursuing this angle too but I found holes in his argument that made it easier. Just read my interaction with him on this page to get an idea of what you’re getting yourself into. 😂
You found zero holes in my argument. Qwertys come through and with one post has provided some conclusive evidence. Something you failed to do in a dozen pages.
Thats all this has ever been about. No character hating, no bias, its all about conclusive evidence vs unverified interpretation of ambiguous scans.
So we're now in a position where the retcon punch is a thing. Does that stop the battle from being PIS? No. But what it does do is clarify that SBP has an ability through physical contact to create random changes to reality.
Its an ability that he doesnt understand and he doesnt have control over. Its also dependant on physical contact. As opposed to a high level reality warper who can psionically manipulate ambient or localized reality for specific, intentional effects.
Good discussion 🙂 👆
Originally posted by -Pr-
Thanks. Looks like she did it in #17 as well.I don't think anyone else has done that though. Superman's version was at least somewhat different as it was a complete expelling of all his solar energy, so I don't really know we can call this a standard ability for Kryptonians.
Then again, Snyder's a hack so who ****ing knows what was going through his mind.
You could still call it a standard ability, that doesnt mean that they can do it all to the same degree.
For example whilst super strength is a standard ability, their individual strength levels differ between them.
Just like Clark, Supergirl expelled her contained solar energy:
Supergirl just seems to do a controlled amount whereas Clark lets it all out and ends up knocked out 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You could still call it a standard ability, that doesnt mean that they can do it all to the same degree.For example whilst super strength is a standard ability, their individual strength levels differ between them.
Just like Clark, Supergirl expelled her contained solar energy:
Supergirl just seems to do a controlled amount whereas Clark lets it all out and ends up knocked out 😂
I think it would be a reach to call it a standard ability at this point. I think we need to see more Kryptonians doing it, tbh. That's just me though.
I see the whole "nova" thing, at least in Superman's case, as ending up on the trash heap of forgotten abilities with T-RAO etc.