Superboy Prime vs universe 616

Originally posted by Diesldude
No doubt, forget monarch, Conner gave him a better fight lol. Prime just got that powerful. In all of his earlier showings, he’s never had his fist glowing with crises energy. It’s the same color as DK’s energy blasts. It was different in the WW scene when she asked him to destroy the tower.
So his power was changing/ increasing. Against monarch he ripped his suit that was able to contain universes destroying energy, against DK he actually could have snatched DK’s power. He’s never shown that ability has he? Against a being on DK’s level? So this prime was a whole another animal.

He still needs to connect. You aren't getting it. Imagine if you had the power to see the future on an innate level, which was something that Rune King Thor with the power of being an Omniscient was able to do for example, and you had mastery over time and reality like a number of Abstracts do, the glowing fist and every other action that transpired in the conflict between Superboy Prime and DK wouldn't have ever happened. Why? Because you would be able to see a time that Superboy Prime wasn't a super power at all. You'd be able to see a time before his time and stop him from ever existing.

The fight itself was actually worse than Spiderman beating the crap out of Firelord. Firelord never had to allow it to become a fist fight because he could've roasted Spiderman with a nova blast. The End.

Originally posted by Stoic
He still needs to connect. You aren't getting it. Imagine if you had the power to see the future on an innate level, which was something that Rune King Thor with the power of being an Omniscient was able to do for example, and you had mastery over time and reality like a number of Abstracts do, the glowing fist and every other action that transpired in the conflict between Superboy Prime and DK wouldn't have ever happened. Why? Because you would be able to see a time that Superboy Prime wasn't a super power at all. You'd be able to see a time before his time and stop him from ever existing.

The fight itself was actually worse than Spiderman beating the crap out of Firelord. Firelord never had to allow it to become a fist fight because he could've roasted Spiderman with a nova blast. The End.

No matter how many times you tell him it was Plot Induced Stupidity he wont accept it or it just doesnt compute.

Im hoping its the latter as then at least we can help 👆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No matter how many times you tell him it was Plot Induced Stupidity he wont accept it or it just doesnt compute.

Im hoping its the latter as then at least we can help 👆

I lost a lot of respect for Snyder after reading that bullshit.

it was definitely a weird battle. not sure if we're intended to infer it was more than a fist fight or not, or if we're meant to think prime somehow forced dk to fight him that way. prime is illogical--that 'illogical'ness' is his primary ability i think. it'll never be explained, probably. on the surface it definitely seems to be a lot of PIS--until you look at some of his other crazy/weird feats, like the mxy showing. seems legitimately like writers have him do whatever they want him to do.

Originally posted by Stoic
He still needs to connect. You aren't getting it. Imagine if you had the power to see the future on an innate level, which was something that Rune King Thor with the power of being an Omniscient was able to do for example, and you had mastery over time and reality like a number of Abstracts do, the glowing fist and every other action that transpired in the conflict between Superboy Prime and DK wouldn't have ever happened. Why? Because you would be able to see a time that Superboy Prime wasn't a super power at all. You'd be able to see a time before his time and stop him from ever existing.

The fight itself was actually worse than Spiderman beating the crap out of Firelord. Firelord never had to allow it to become a fist fight because he could've roasted Spiderman with a nova blast. The End.

Time mastery and full omniscience doesn't really exist though. If it did, logically Thanos or Nebula never would have lost the Gauntlet.

Or Parallax Hal Jordan would have seen the heroes and and stopped them before they ever got started.

SBP himself was a version of Time Trapper, and he was severely limited, unable to simply erase someone from time.

Plus Superboy Prime himself is a wild card, in the sense he doesn't really belong in the multiverse. The Pre-Crisis era established Earth Prime was "The real world", and a normal non powered writer was able to defeat the JSA specifically because he was a real person in a fictional universe, and had special powers within that fiction.

SBP is also "real", and should have similar "powers".

Originally posted by leonidas
it was definitely a weird battle. not sure if we're intended to infer it was more than a fist fight or not, or if we're meant to think prime somehow forced dk to fight him that way. prime is illogical--that 'illogical'ness' is his primary ability i think. it'll never be explained, probably. on the surface it definitely seems to be a lot of PIS--until you look at some of his other crazy/weird feats, like the mxy showing. seems legitimately like writers have him do whatever they want him to do.

Leo, it goes further than that. The fight in itself should have never occured if DK was written properly. Omniscience means that you know everything, and if you have the power to reshape reality, and manipulate time, it squashes any chances for a fight to occur between you and a guy that simply does not have those abilities.

Originally posted by cdtm
Time mastery and full omniscience doesn't really exist though. If it did, logically Thanos or Nebula never would have lost the Gauntlet.

Or Parallax Hal Jordan would have seen the heroes and and stopped them before they ever got started.

SBP himself was a version of Time Trapper, and he was severely limited, unable to simply erase someone from time.

Plus Superboy Prime himself is a wild card, in the sense he doesn't really belong in the multiverse. The Pre-Crisis era established Earth Prime was "The real world", and a normal non powered writer was able to defeat the JSA specifically because he was a real person in a fictional universe, and had special powers within that fiction.

SBP is also "real", and should have similar "powers".

Thanos wanted that to happen. The rest is fanfic.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos wanted that to happen.

Nebula didn't though.

Originally posted by cdtm
Nebula didn't though.

Nebula didn't have full mastery over the gems like Thanos did. Thanos literally wanted to lose his godhood and go back to living a simple life.

Originally posted by cdtm
Time mastery and full omniscience doesn't really exist though. If it did, logically Thanos or Nebula never would have lost the Gauntlet.

Or Parallax Hal Jordan would have seen the heroes and and stopped them before they ever got started.

SBP himself was a version of Time Trapper, and he was severely limited, unable to simply erase someone from time.

Plus Superboy Prime himself is a wild card, in the sense he doesn't really belong in the multiverse. The Pre-Crisis era established Earth Prime was "The real world", and a normal non powered writer was able to defeat the JSA specifically because he was a real person in a fictional universe, and had special powers within that fiction.

SBP is also "real", and should have similar "powers".

omniscience doesnt play out as it should in the comics as then theyd be a lot less interesting to read.

Thats the beauty of forum battles

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thanks to Qwertys submission of some actual conclusive on panel evidence, this post can be revisited and I can now interpret the scene differently.

SBPs reality altering punch was activated randomly (by some as yet to be revealed trigger) and he realises that when he strikes DKs creations he can alter reality somehow and subvert the evil archetypes for good.

Still not knowing how this ability works, he wonders if killing DK would result in this effect occurring on a wider scale affecting all of the 52 planets DK had created.

He attacks DK resulting in temporary subversions of the evil for good

However DK retreats to gain his bearing after the initial attack and the evil dominates again.

SBP makes the ultimate sacrifice and throws his all behind one final attack spoiling Darkest Knights plans whilst SBP appears to be dead and Cybord Supes saying whoever stopped DK is dead.

We then are presented with a scene from Earth Prime where SBP has reverted to his teenage appearance and wonders if hes dead, he steps outside and comments on how bright everything is (typical light, bright after-life portrayal) and he questions still if its real and then he says no and chooses to believe it is real.

We as readers are left wondering at that point if Superboy Prime is dead and in an after life or if hes unconscious and just dreaming.

That was all in Death Metal Secret Origins.

The issue is then followed up with Death Metal 7 which confirmed a very much lifeless SBP falling short of confirming but giving a clear indication that Superboy Prime is dead.

Interpret how you will. That point has yet to be given any conclusive clarification 🙂

Smh so you changed your first misinterpretation with another. LoL

He says it right there “it is real”. You’re saying he’s lying to himself because he wants to believe it’s real? Lol where does it say he’s trying to convince himself? Or he wants to believe it’s real? Dude that’s a reach if I saw one.

Originally posted by Stoic
He still needs to connect. You aren't getting it. Imagine if you had the power to see the future on an innate level, which was something that Rune King Thor with the power of being an Omniscient was able to do for example, and you had mastery over time and reality like a number of Abstracts do, the glowing fist and every other action that transpired in the conflict between Superboy Prime and DK wouldn't have ever happened. Why? Because you would be able to see a time that Superboy Prime wasn't a super power at all. You'd be able to see a time before his time and stop him from ever existing.

The fight itself was actually worse than Spiderman beating the crap out of Firelord. Firelord never had to allow it to become a fist fight because he could've roasted Spiderman with a nova blast. The End.

If he’s powerful enough to hurt/kill DK don’t you think he’s beyond these manipulation or have a level of immunity towards it?
When you’re talking about beings of this caliber what Spider-Man does against firelord or even galactus is irrelevant.

Or some are resistant to matter and energy manipulation and are truly invulnerable.

As per DK going into the past, Prime has no beginning in main DC he’s from outside and showed up in DC as prime. So if DK had wanted to kill him in the past, he would always go against prime. Prime even told him that he can’t kill him.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No matter how many times you tell him it was Plot Induced Stupidity he wont accept it or it just doesnt compute.

Im hoping its the latter as then at least we can help 👆

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
No, it wasn't directed at you bro.

Originally posted by Diesldude
have you considered the fact that perhaps because Prime can hurt DK he can resist him as well?

If he’s powerful enough to hurt/kill DK don’t you think he’s beyond these manipulation or have a level of immunity towards it?
When you’re talking about beings of this caliber what Spider-Man does against firelord or even galactus is irrelevant.

Or some are resistant to matter and energy manipulation and are truly invulnerable.

As per DK going into the past, Prime has no beginning in main DC he’s from outside and showed up in DC as prime. So if DK had wanted to kill him in the past, he would always go against prime. Prime even told him that he can’t kill him.

You're still skipping ahead to that period in time. Look at this as you would an Editor on a movie time line. Imagine having a digital editor that enables you to go to the scene that Superboy Prime was in the comic book store before he had any powers, and make a endless loop of him entering the store talking to his girl, buying the comic, walking out of the store, and then entering the store once again, talking to his girl, buying the comic, walking out of the store, and etc.

Originally posted by Stoic
Leo, it goes further than that. The fight in itself should have never occured if DK was written properly. Omniscience means that you know everything, and if you have the power to reshape reality, and manipulate time, it squashes any chances for a fight to occur between you and a guy that simply does not have those abilities.

oh, i agree, but that's not how omniscience usually works in comics. and dk, for all his power, was clearly NOT omniscient. there were still powers on his level and above him. he was just....another really powerful comic villain, that's it. there will be another to come along and be more powerful. he may have had ltd omniscience, but maybe we're intended to infer prime can't be viewed with that ability? i dunno man. like i said, he's illogical. the fight can 100% be viewed as PIS. i've never liked calling PIS though. there's no logical reason he should have been able to do what he did, clearly unless (a) dk wasn't as powerful as he purported to be (b) it's pure PIS (c) it's prime doing more illogical sh!t and because the writers want him to. his biggest power seems to be he's a walking plot device. /shrug

Originally posted by Stoic
You're still skipping ahead to that period in time. Look at this as you would an Editor on a movie time line. Imagine having a digital editor that enables you to go to the scene that Superboy Prime was in the comic book store before he had any powers, and make a endless loop of him entering the store talking to his girl, buying the comic, walking out of the store, and then entering the store once again, talking to his girl, buying the comic, walking out of the store, and etc.

Second, the fact you think a near all powerful being would need to use time trickery to get to a weaker version of prime to beat him shows us exactly how powerful you think prime is. 👆

That trickery isn’t available in a forum battle.

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, i agree, but that's not how omniscience usually works in comics. and dk, for all his power, was clearly NOT omniscient. there were still powers on his level and above him. he was just....another really powerful comic villain, that's it. there will be another to come along and be more powerful. he may have had ltd omniscience, but maybe we're intended to infer prime can't be viewed with that ability? i dunno man. like i said, he's illogical. the fight can 100% be viewed as PIS. i've never liked calling PIS though. there's no logical reason he should have been able to do what he did, clearly unless (a) dk wasn't as powerful as he purported to be (b) it's pure PIS (c) it's prime doing more illogical sh!t and because the writers want him to. his biggest power seems to be he's a walking plot device. /shrug

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You are entirely too old to get so aggressive and hold grudges because someone doesnt agree with your opinion. Thats life. Keeps things interesting and actually facilitates debate. You gotta do better bro 👆

Btw I'm totally in the age to hold grudges.

Most of you all do act like a new teenager.