Superboy Prime vs universe 616

Started by GalacticStorm21 pages

Originally posted by Diesldude
It's called connecting the dots.

I sited and linked to multiple examples already. the fact you are still asking this shows that you didnt either read them, didn't understand or just didnt want to believe them.

He flew into Dk and shattered universes.
He stole DK's power.
neither of these are prime just punching.

See above.

And I stated that I disagreed with them. Why? Well I'll user your very own argument.

thanks for bringing this up because i already stated something similar and why I disagree with Juntai and AG. what looks like a abstracts staring at each other is actually a battle being fought on the abstract level.
If you recall, I i asked what would you rather see, two guys with their fingers resting on their temples and staring at each other or an action packed fight that was taking place all across reality? In your example surfer explains this, but in prime's case, you see realities being shattered (on panel) when he flies and punches DK.
And on panel statement that he could finish this and destroy everything.

You brought up a single statement from surfer to show there is more than meets the eye when there is a battle with marvel but you refuse to accept prime's statement that he could kill dk and destroy everything with a punch or the fact you see universes being destroyed via art and via prime's statement.

You are quick to accept a single statement from marvel but refuse to accept primes and would just rather see a fist fight brawl. LOL biased much.

AGAIN you do not seem to be able to comprehend the difference between an official confirmation i.e an on panel statement or narration to tell us what's happening from the publishers perspective and your personal interpretation of ambiguous art.

Your interpretation is that SPB has some power that allowed him to shatter realities with a punch.

My interpretation is that as Darkest Knight was the power behind those realities, the power that maintained them, by attacking him, it had the side effect of disrupting DKs activity damaging the realities he was bringing about.

See how ambiguous art without an official clarification is open to interpretation?

You're saying he stole DKs power based on the art im saying that DKs energy is cascading everywhere and saturating both them and the scene.

Again. See how art can generate so many different perspectives and interpretations?

I then showed you multiple scenes of different cosmics in different scenes engaging in what on panel looked like a basic slugfest.

However those scenes I showed were coupled with either narration or character commentary telling us as readers how we should view what the art shows.

Telling us as readers what the official company line is.

Without the narration or commentary, if it was just art, it would be open to interpretation and we would be able to share our OPINIONS of whats going on whilst accepting that neither side can assert their views as canon.

See the difference? 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Recognise the difference between official confirmation and your personal interpretation of what some ambiguous art shows. The latter holds no weight here.

😉 👆

Well DantasKEdc...youve got your answer.

616 WINS 😱

Prime wins obviously. Lol @ circlejerk

Originally posted by abhilegend
Prime wins obviously. Lol @ circlejerk

He doesnt. But welcome back 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]AGAIN you do not seem to be able to comprehend the difference between an official confirmation i.e an on panel statement or narration to tell us what's happening from the publishers perspective and your personal interpretation of ambiguous art.

Your interpretation is that SPB has some power that allowed him to shatter realities with a punch.

My interpretation is that as Darkest Knight was the power behind those realities, the power that maintained them, by attacking him, it had the side effect of disrupting DKs activity damaging the realities he was bringing about.

See how ambiguous art without an official clarification is open to interpretation?

You're saying he stole DKs power based on the art im saying that DKs energy is cascading everywhere and saturating both them and the scene.

Again. See how art can generate so many different perspectives and interpretations?

I then showed you multiple scenes of different cosmics in different scenes engaging in what on panel looked like a basic slugfest.

However those scenes I showed were coupled with either narration or character commentary telling us as readers how we should view what the art shows.

Telling us as readers what the official company line is.

Without the narration or commentary, if it was just art, it would be open to interpretation and we would be able to share our OPINIONS of whats going on whilst accepting that neither side can assert their views as canon.

See the difference? 😉 [/B]

it’s like I’m talking to a brick wall. I’ve provided examples of statements supported by the art.

Last time I’m doing your research. You saw a fist fight..
does this look like a regular fist to you?

Prime is wondering if he can change these earths that dk created.

And then he says he can destroy this earth, talking about reality because it would destroy everyone.

How’s that possible I if this is a fist fight?

How’s he going to manipulate reality and change/destroy realities to bring his back?

There’s a lot of reality manipulation going on but you’re only seeing a fist fight. Lol.

DK offers to create a reality for prime while in battle. And had just corrected his power source but somehow he forgot to use it in his fight against prime? I don’t think so.

With that said, Prime has the firepower to beat a being that is above everyone in marvel save TOAA maybe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He doesnt. But welcome back 🙂

Of course he does. Your opinion is worthless just like you are.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course he does. Your opinion is worthless just like you are.
Whilst, I will never call my old friend GS useless, he is quite wrong on this, as he is often on many things. His ability to misunderstand stories and create his own narrative has kept me amused for more than 16 years.

AGAIN. Its all about interpretation. Your argument isn’t being verified by any conclusive commentary. Its you piecing together the ambiguous and crafting your own take on things and trying to assert that it’s the official line.
That’s not how this works im afraid
As convinced that you are that your interpretation is correct you have to preface it with “in my opinion” and accept that its not canon until DC states it is in a conclusive manner.
Darkest Knight had just created 52 new realities, each with a evil Superman archetype.
Everything was new and in still in flux, said versions had yet to be established as the permanent multiverse.

Superboy Prime saw that when an evil archetype was knocked unconscious, then on the planet they were from, a good archetype takes his place:
https://imgur.com/d4EhDbF
No on panel verification is given as to what happened. SBP even states he doesn’t know what happened. So who made you the authority to tell us DCs official stance?
This whole event from the discovery of the Totality onwards was about good vs evil, anti-crisis vs crisis. As we saw when falters in reality the other rises to prominence. So this could simply be a continuation of that same long established theme.
As I said before, Darkest Knight was the one maintaining these nightmare realities and trying to transition them to permanency, it was a work in progress.
After SBP sees how him hitting the evil archetype leads to the rise of the good equivalent, he reasons that if he kills Darkest Knight, can he create the same effect across all of the last 52. We then see SBP flying directly at DK
https://imgur.com/eLjrEBS

SBP collides with DK thereby having the side effect of causing good to become dominant in the worlds DK created:
https://imgur.com/0r8qXob

You see a world where SBP is a part of a superhero team. Another where he had a kid and another where hes signing autographs for fans.

So where your interpretation is that SBP has some reality altering power that’s never confirmed in writing or through artistic depiction.

My interpretation is that it was the culmination of a theme of good vs evil that’s Snyder had been building up to and by attacking DK who was the source of the crsis/nightmare worlds and the power that maintained them, good began to take a stronghold and we saw what was possible.

When Darkest Knight disappeared and regained his bearings after that initial assault you see that crisis/evil regains the upper hand on those worlds as evidenced by Superboy Primes comments:

“Now all I hear are screams. Pain. Anger. Where is that bat guy hiding?”
https://imgur.com/gRVGKXl
So as I said, reality was in flux and DK was in the process of trying to make his evil worlds the “last 52” permanent.
As DK was attacked meaning good gained the upperhand it affected change on reality as a side effect as DK was powering these nightmare worlds.
There is no confirmation of a reality altering punch. That’s just your preferred interpretation. Is it possible he has such an ability? Of course. Is it a confirmed ability that you can assert as canon? Absolutely not. No matter how strongly you believe in your interpretation.
However SBP states clear as day that he wonders if he kills DK would it have the knock on effect of changing the worlds to good versions.
You see SBP attack DK and that’s what happens:

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Whilst, I will never call my old friend GS useless, he is quite wrong on this, as he is often on many things. His ability to misunderstand stories and create his own narrative has kept me amused for more than 16 years.

The main man.

Good to see youre active again and keeping safe. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The main man.

Good to see youre active again and keeping safe. 😉

it's good to see you old pal. Yeah, things are pretty unsafe in Nigeria right now, but, I'm alive and ducking and diving. Hope you are good, it's lovely to see you back, despite disagreeing with everything you say on the story... as usual. 😂

So as it stands Diesldude you have yet to provide any conclusive evidence of your point. Zero official confirmation.

All you have presented is scans alongside your opinion of whats going on in them.

Whilst certainly interesting to read, it isnt canon im afraid. Thats what you need to accept. 🙁 👆

Now, if yahman and cresh returned we could bicker as we did long ago.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
it's good to see you old pal. Yeah, things are pretty unsafe in Nigeria right now, but, I'm alive and ducking and diving. Hope you are good, it's lovely to see you back, despite disagreeing with everything you say on the story... as usual. 😂

Youre in Nigeria?!! How come?! Last i heard you lived in London mate. I'm way behind lol

Itd be boring as hell if everyone agreed 😄

Is there any indication that Dark Knight was even weakened by his fight with Perpatua or is this total horse shit to please your view that Prime managed to fight DK

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Is there any indication that Dark Knight was even weakened by his fight with Perpatua or is this total horse shit to please your view that Prime managed to fight DK

Relax with that tone and language. Its unnecessary. You can disagree and still conduct yourself appropriately.

Nowhere have i asserted that it is canon that DK was weakened after his battle with Perpetua.

What i did say was that he was either weakened/hampered in some way OR its Plot Induced Stupidity.

Prime vulnerabilities

He is mortal and ages:

Time Trapper is an aged future SBP and is therefore vulnerable to time manipulation. Eternity, Kronos, Phoenix, Classic Odin, damn even Kang and Immortus 😆
https://imgur.com/lxVdKqS

https://imgur.com/rFU30y0
When SBP collides with his future counterpart the laws of reality come into play and Prime is depowered and shunted back to his native reality demonstrating he is also subject to reality manipulation. Eternity, HOM Scarlet Witch, Adult Franklin Richards, Jamie Braddock, Mad Jim Jaspers, Marquis of Death, cube beings, a cosmic cube wielder, the Celestials and more could defeat him via reality manipulation.

Superboy Prime dies from the simple act of putting on a black lantern ring further demonstrating his mortality and that he is therefore subject to death. Therefore the abstract Death and anyone with power over death at a fundamental level such as the spirit of death and rebirth the Phoenix Force could 100% end him with a thought
https://imgur.com/zpT9dVg
https://imgur.com/xj3AnWE

SBP is not immune to magic. Just more resistant to it than Superman. SBP is battered unconscious with magic lightning from Shazam and Adam thereby demonstrating that sufficiently powerful magic users could defeat him. Inbetweener, Chaos and Order, The Vishanti, a Dr Strange with prep arguably could defeat him given on panel evidence:

https://imgur.com/NH2lIPL
https://imgur.com/Vaf3X0S

On top of that any matter manipulators or reality warpers of note could take him out via red sun radiation. 🙂

https://imgur.com/b4zcuTc

Originally posted by meep-meep
Galactic Storm is akin to Muhammad Ali. Grimes is one those countless fools he knocked around.

This grime guy wont be remembered.

I wont either, but it was interesting to see the beating.

Nope. But I have to give props to the GS guy for having a fan like this lol.

As Juntai said the Flash not speedblitzing his enemies on panel everytime is PIS.
It doesnt mean that he cant.

In a forum battle, CIS/PIS are not factors. A characters full range of abilities are considered and implemented in a hypothetical match up.

DK could manipulate time and reality.
He could utilize red sun radiation.
He couldve just made himself ephemeral whilst blasting the hell outta SBP.

He resorted to fisticuffs.
In said scene there was zero on panel confirmation of any high level abilities being used in the battle by either SBP or DK. So we cant treat assertions to the contrary as canon.

Its just the way it works guys 🙁