Originally posted by KlawThe problem is you've presented such an extreme view point on the topic that anything trying to bring it back to the realm of reality will seem like changing the subject to you.
Notice how people can't argue the point, so they have to change the subject to "well how are we going to pay for roads?"
The truth is taxes are not automatically theft in the traditional sense you are painting it as.
You've purposely over-simplified the topic and while that might work on social echo chambers the truth is most of the people here are intelligent enough to know it's not so simple a topic.
Originally posted by Robtard
So examples that prove you wrong suddenly become part of the "state". 😂
No, large corporations working with the state, the way dupont does, doesn't describe the free market.
It describes state capitalism/fascism.
For example when minimum wage laws are passed and mom and pops can't compete, but companies like amazon or Walmart can, I consider that a market distortion via the violence of statism.
Similarly, some of the biggest companies mades some of their biggest profits ever during lockdown, while something like 20 percent of small businesses shut down.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Smokers do.
There's psychological effects like cognitive dissonance that prevents smokers, or the obese, or drug addicts, etc. From recognizing the damage they do to their self.
You don't really see people doing what they do with the health consequences of smoking with something like a flat tire, meaning pretend they don't have one when they do.
So it's probably an ego thing imo
Originally posted by Newjak
The problem is you've presented such an extreme view point on the topic that anything trying to bring it back to the realm of reality will seem like changing the subject to you.The truth is taxes are not automatically theft in the traditional sense you are painting it as.
You've purposely over-simplified the topic and while that might work on social echo chambers the truth is most of the people here are intelligent enough to know it's not so simple a topic.
So is it theft in a non traditional way ?
Originally posted by ilikecomicsSo you can only point out one thing and ignore the rest?
So is it theft in a non traditional way ?
When I was using the term traditional I was specifically talking about the average's persons notion of what theft is ie you were to ask someone to describe theft they would point to shoplifting, car jacking that type of thing.
To present taxes as theft like above is basically an appeal to emotions and tries to paint a complex topic in an absurdly simplified manner
Originally posted by ilikecomicsI don't know why you think mom and pop stores would fair any better your version of a "real" capitalists society.
No, large corporations working with the state, the way dupont does, doesn't describe the free market.
It describes state capitalism/fascism.For example when minimum wage laws are passed and mom and pops can't compete, but companies like amazon or Walmart can, I consider that a market distortion via the violence of statism.
Similarly, some of the biggest companies mades some of their biggest profits ever during lockdown, while something like 20 percent of small businesses shut down.
Originally posted by ilikecomics
If you earnestly want to learn about a viable alternative you should check out the works of von mises, rothbard, and hoppe.Most of it is free on the von mises institute
Originally posted by Robtard
Pipedreams are just that.Why I asked Klaw "what do you propose as a viable alternative", and he dodged.
That's why I refer you to the work of ancap and libertarian scholars. You call them names then move on, as if that is some kind of victory.
It would be alot better to attack their actual positions, but that would take being familiar with their work.
The tannehils wrote a book that explains how a free market society would operate.
https://mises.org/library/market-liberty-1
Here's a link for a free download.
Is Klaw a 17 year old who has just smoked their first joint? 'Tax is bad, we should do away with what is a relatively minor inconvenience for most competent people in spite of what it actually provides to the vast majority including the vulnerable.'
I'll be waiting for you here in 1998 and we can discuss alien abductions.
Originally posted by ilikecomics"Libertarian Scholars" , now there is a non sequitur. 🙂
That's why I refer you to the work of ancap and libertarian scholars. You call them names then move on, as if that is some kind of victory.
It would be alot better to attack their actual positions, but that would take being familiar with their work.The tannehils wrote a book that explains how a free market society would operate.
https://mises.org/library/market-liberty-1
Here's a link for a free download.
Originally posted by samhainNah, Klaw is Eon Blues sock account routed through a vpn.
Is Klaw a 17 year old who has just smoked their first joint? 'Tax is bad, we should do away with what is a relatively minor inconvenience for most competent people in spite of what it actually provides to the vast majority including the vulnerable.'I'll be waiting for you here in 1998 and we can discuss alien abductions.
Originally posted by samhain
Is Klaw a 17 year old who has just smoked their first joint? 'Tax is bad, we should do away with what is a relatively minor inconvenience for most competent people in spite of what it actually provides to the vast majority including the vulnerable.'I'll be waiting for you here in 1998 and we can discuss alien abductions.
I think he recently discovered Ayn Rand, who by the way took government handouts in her later years.
Originally posted by Robtard
I think he recently discovered Ayn Rand, who by the way took government handouts in her later years.
Ayn rand supported government throughout her entire career.
She also supported big business, which as I mentioned is in bed with government.
Ayn rand personality wise was a little abrasive and cultish, but her work does have some merit in terms of literary achievement for creating the randian hero and philosophically for her views on idealism, which is that it's shit.
Rothbard clashed with rand and wrote a satirical play on it.
Overall she's kind of weak sauce, as is Objectivism.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
"Libertarian Scholars" , now there is a non sequitur. 🙂
Think you meant oxy moron, sir.
This is the definition of non sequitur:
a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
Which doesn't make sense because I was talking about libertarian scholarship.