Taxation is Theft.

Started by ilikecomics10 pages

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm not the one arguing against all taxes. 🙂

In a vacuum, his principle makes enough sense, I think. Assuming I'm right about what he really means:

Use of force is the problem.

From his side, he is hyper-focused on the idea that taxation is compulsory on threat of imprisonment. He thinks forcing yourself on a person is wrong. He thinks other people deciding how much tax is fair, and dictating to you how much you need to pay, all without your input or consent on the basis of where you happened to be born, is a terrible injustice.

Its clearly more complex then that, and society would indeed stop functioning if everyone had the choice to opt out while using public goods and services, but you don't get to that point in logic untill you can get past the idea that you are entirely powerless as an individual before an unjust state.

Yeah, I try to have universalized deontological morals. Taxes suck to me and always will because of that.

People's lack of creativity to be corroborative in a non zero sum capacity usually comes from being subjected to cruel parenting. So in every statist I see a victim crying out for a society that would have been fair and compassionate enough to save people from childhood's like theirs. Obviously people concoct personal mythologies on top of this fact and out comes something about how collectivism is a morally scrupulous political philosophy.

Have you ever read on why market failures and public goods are state mythologies ?

Originally posted by Newjak
Assuming that second inventor can improve on the snack or that the the first inventor doesn't just use their resources to crush the smaller second inventor by putting multiple obstacles in front of them. Heck the first inventor might just buy out the second inventor to take the competition off the market.

Like I said so many scenarios.

Well if he provides a better product and no one wants to buy the first guy's that is fine and dandy. Flavoring it by using the word crush instead of saying more efficient with his factors of production.

If the first inventor wants to sell his invention and sales infrastructure, why is this immoral ?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
you are not DS0 or one of the other star wars kids are you? They were always coming up with simplistic shit like this, I'd hoped they'd have grown up by now.
that was a really nerdy way of calling someone single track minded. 😂

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Working with governments doesn't legitimize them.

Entrepreneurs work around or with the government all the time. As of now the state exists. Doesn't prove much for me.

governments have the knowledge to work on the public's behalf; they're working for the public, not the other way around.

Corruption comes when a government deliberately goes against the will of the people.

Originally posted by Blakemore
governments have the knowledge to work on the public's behalf; they're working for the public, not the other way around.

Corruption comes when a government deliberately goes against the will of the people.

So the will of the people is to be in unwinnable wars in the middle east ?

How can their be a will of the people when 70 million americans wanted trump as president ?

I'm an anarchist who doesn't believe in political leaders at all, how can a government express my will without being in performative contradiction ?

The will of the people is a fascist concept.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
So the will of the people is to be in unwinnable wars in the middle east ?

How can their be a will of the people when 70 million americans wanted trump as president ?

I'm an anarchist who doesn't believe in political leaders at all, how can a government express my will without being in performative contradiction ?

The will of the people is a fascist concept.

mob rule isn't fascism. 😒 Like it or not, the majority of Americans wanted the Iraq invasion. Even Clinton bombed it several times to prevent a war happening there.

Originally posted by Blakemore
that was a really nerdy way of calling someone single track minded. 😂

You've never heard the joke that libertarians are autistic and like scifi ?

I put everything I encounter through the religion lens, then the political lens.

I'm an atheist and an anarchist, and for whatever weird reason I'm met with alot of eye rolls 😆

Originally posted by Blakemore
mob rule isn't fascism. 😒 Like it or not, the majority of Americans wanted the Iraq invasion. Even Clinton bombed it several times to prevent a war happening there.

Would you give me your definition of fascism ?

I find most people don't really know what it means and just say it's right wing, without defining what they mean by that.

Originally posted by Blakemore
that was a really nerdy way of calling someone single track minded. 😂
😂
Originally posted by ilikecomics
You've never heard the joke that libertarians are autistic and like scifi ?

I put everything I encounter through the religion lens, then the political lens.

I'm an atheist and an anarchist, and for whatever weird reason I'm met with alot of eye rolls 😆

O.K..that made me laugh in a good way 😂

Originally posted by ilikecomics
You've never heard the joke that libertarians are autistic and like scifi ?

I put everything I encounter through the religion lens, then the political lens.

I'm an atheist and an anarchist, and for whatever weird reason I'm met with alot of eye rolls 😆

that's because you're an anarchist.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Would you give me your definition of fascism ?

I find most people don't really know what it means and just say it's right wing, without defining what they mean by that.

I already did.
Originally posted by Blakemore
governments have the knowledge to work on the public's behalf; they're working for the public, not the other way around.

Corruption comes when a government deliberately goes against the will of the people.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
😂 O.K..that made me laugh in a good way 😂

Yeah I'm aware I'm a parody of a real person, but I'm willing to take the hit on social capital to soap box.

I try to do it politely as well, if only to help spread the idea more effectively.

In-between this chat I'm talking to someone about how public schools are maleficent and if you spank you're adding to totalitarianism.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Yeah I'm aware I'm a parody of a real person, but I'm willing to take the hit on social capital to soap box.

I try to do it politely as well, if only to help spread the idea more effectively.

In-between this chat I'm talking to someone about how public schools are maleficent and if you spank you're adding to totalitarianism.

As I read that, I'm thinking of Homer Simpson, going backwards into a hedge. 😉

Originally posted by Blakemore
that's because you're an anarchist.

I already did.

I know, that was the joke. I have beliefs most people consider silly.

Would you mind re explaining what you think fascism is ? I clearly missed where you said it the first time, otherwise I wouldn't have asked again.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
As I read that, I'm thinking of Homer Simpson, going backwards into a hedge. 😉

Do you spank your kids ?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Do you spank your kids ?
No, my kids are either too old or too young. Now, rephrase your question. 🙂

I was saying fascism is where a government deliberately goes against the will of its people, I’ll add it’s usually for financial gain. Examples would be Mao, Mussolini, Kim Jong Un and Hitler.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I know, that was the joke. I have beliefs most people consider silly.

Would you mind re explaining what you think fascism is ? I clearly missed where you said it the first time, otherwise I wouldn't have asked again.

I was also saying this doesn’t apply to a democracy where 40-50% of its people voted otherwise, because it was a vote. Otherwise Britain would be a dictatorship.

Then again, we did vote to leave the EU. ermm

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
No, my kids are either too old or too young. Now, rephrase your question. 🙂

Did you spank them ?

This isn't a gotcha or some larger point, just curious now that I thought of it.

I don't have children. See: libertarian

@ Blake

I can't quote for whatever reason.

All dictators represent the will of the people.

Do you think dictators have telepathy ?

Each follower of tyranny makes the individual choice to do so

Democracy sucks.

If america was as racist as some people make it seem, the racists could use democracy to make life hell for racial minorities for example.

The 49 percent should not be subjugated to the whims of the 51 percent. Each human is sovereign, and I worry for the scruples of those who think otherwise.

I think any form of government is dictator ship