Originally posted by carver9The hammers are magical. It does not have to say. The onus is on you though. You are assuming a special attribute (Thor used strength alone).
Show me where it said magic had something to do with the power output of that hit.
So Show me where Thor did that to a non magical item.
Originally posted by h1a8
The hammers are magical. It does not have to say. The onus is on you though. You are assuming a special attribute (Thor used strength alone).So Show me where Thor did that to a non magical item.
So the onus is on me to prove that the narrator saying an attack resembles the concussive force of the big bang (more powerful than) is a magical attack? So no we have a magical big bang theory?
Originally posted by carver9
Again, if we use fts directly from that book, DOS, Hercules stomps here. Do you not understand what I am saying, lol. The thread title say DOS Doomsday. DOS. Now if you want to debate based off the thread title, let me know.
You do know before DOS, DD fought plenty of times right? He even the Guardians, even having a Green Lantern’s ring, surviving a hole in space. He was finally stop went the Radiant, a being of pure energy fought and killed him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nope, that's not how it works, sadly.Even [b]IF
it was, the Superman he physically beat to death ISN'T limited to DOS feats only, nor is Guy Gardner etc etc.DOS Doomsday beat Superman to death, which almost no other character since has done. Forum rules state nothing about 'Jurgens' Superman or anything like that, and we have Death Metal to thank for ALL feats being canon - Silver Age Superman, Golden Age, Pre and Post Crisis.
So Doomsday beat a Superman who was able to sneeze planets away, tow planets with a chain, throw people so hard they go back in time etc etc, physically to death - if this is REALLY how you want to play it, I am down to argue forum rules with you 🙂 [/B]
Lmao imagine if we did this the Carver way.
What feats does Zom Strange have, outside of WWH? What feats does Ghost Rider have outside of the incarnation we saw in WWH? Juggernaut? Colossus?
What feats does BiBeast, Wendigo, ArmCheddon et al have outside of the Heart of the Monster storyline? What feats does Umar have? Fin Fang Foom? Imagine if we kept it where every character is limited to their specific 3-4 issue storylines lol.
Lol... make a Zom Strange thread and let's see how it turns out. I feel confident he won't get any love because we are specifically saying WWH Zom Strange. Kinda like how people do Sentry. I'm sure you've seen those WWH Sentry threads around here. Make a WWH Bi Beast and WWH Wendigo thread and I feel confident people won't use fts outside of the WWH comic. Now if you made a Wendigo vs Whomever thread, he's open to fts. This is why I ask in WWH threads "can I use fts from Greenscar that took place AFTER the Sentry fight". Think about it, DARK, this has been going on for a while now. The only reason you're noticing it is because it's DC I'm talking about.
Here's a thread if you need proof. People are specifically talking about Sentry during WWH. They are not using before or after fts from the character. I'm sure you know this but again, youre only defending it because it's Superman related. I understand...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=632232&highlight=%22WWH+Sentry+vs
Originally posted by tkitna
Agreed. WWH Sentry was a low showing for the character.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... make a Zom Strange thread and let's see how it turns out. I feel confident he won't get any love because we are specifically saying WWH Zom Strange. Kinda like how people do Sentry. I'm sure you've seen those WWH Sentry threads around here. Make a WWH Bi Beast and WWH Wendigo thread and I feel confident people won't use fts outside of the WWH comic. Now if you made a Wendigo vs Whomever thread, he's open to fts. This is why I ask in WWH threads "can I use fts from Greenscar that took place AFTER the Sentry fight". Think about it, DARK, this has been going on for a while now. The only reason you're noticing it is because it's DC I'm talking about.
Ah, gotcha.
So Superman isn't limited to DOS feats, right? ALL Superman feats are available to him yes? Just like WBH melting an amped Wendigo - we don't say 'oh, what did Wendigo do in HotM, we look at ALL Of Wendigo's feats.
DOS Doomsday is limited to the DOS storyline (using your logic). OK.
What did DOS Doomsday do?
Physically, using his fists, beat Superman to a bloody pulp and death.
So? What has Superman done?
Ahhhh. We are now no longer limited to just the DOS storyline 🙂. Just like we don't limit Dr Strange to 'just' the WWH storyline - if WWH beat him, we look at ALL of Strange's feats across his history.
So I can now look at ALL Of Superman's history, and say well, this Sooperdooper guy, got physically beaten to death. And was unable to even hurt DOS Doomsday prior to that. Then we have Death Metal, which tells us ALL of history is canon - which means the Superman who was beaten to death, also towed planets on a chain.
See where we are going with this?
Originally posted by carver9
Here's a thread if you need proof. People are specifically talking about Sentry during WWH. They are not using before or after fts from the character. I'm sure you know this but again, youre only defending it because it's Superman related. I understand...http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=632232&highlight=%22WWH+Sentry+vs
Excellent example.
SENTRY is being limited to his WWH feats. But look at the scaling going on:
Originally posted by carver9
We seen what WWH punches does to top tiers .
WWH's opponents are given their feats across their entire history, no? Otherwise, how can you say they are top tiers?
You can use Superman fts but in THAT story, Superman was weak AF. This is why I brought up your Avengers statement where in their own books (Jane Thor) they are more powerful than they are in other books which made the ft questionable for Hulk. Remember? Under this writer, that wrote DOS, the Justice League AND Superman was weak AF. Lol... I can show you if you want. Doomsday took Booster Gold out with a car door. Gas station explosion. Also, there was a statement said about Doomsday speed in DOS and it mentions him being tagged at half the speed of sound and no, Doomsday doesn't hold back his power. There's more but the characters during this specific story, Maxima as well, wasn't your normal move planets, tank continental attacks, close fissures, type of characters. You know this which is the reason you're avoiding this type of debate.
Originally posted by carver9
You can use Superman fts but in THAT story, Superman was weak AF. This is why I brought up your Avengers statement where in their own books (Jane Thor) they are more powerful than they are in other books which made the ft questionable for Hulk. Remember? Under this writer, that wrote DOS, the Justice League AND Superman was weak AF. Lol... I can show you if you want. Doomsday took Booster Gold out with a car door. Gas station explosion. Also, there was a statement said about Doomsday speed in DOS and it mentions him being tagged at half the speed of sound and no, Doomsday doesn't hold back his power. There's more but the characters during this specific story, Maxima as well, wasn't your normal move planets, tank continental attacks, close fissures, type of characters. You know this which is the reason you're avoiding this type of debate.
I thought you said it was Guy - Guy, who withstood planetary explosions 🙂
Problem for you is, since then, Death Metal happened. Which means Silver Age Pre Crisis Superman's feats are also valid - and after all, do we not ignore PIS?
Not to mention, it wasn't a team book - Doomsday killed Superman in HIS OWN BOOK lmao.
Originally posted by carver9
Welp, I guess it's time for me to start posting scans which means I have to go back and read death of Superman yet again.
It's Superman's own book, not a team book. Which means....PIS for the gas station.
Hey, they happen. I am 100% in agreement with you that PIS occurs 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Do people here truly...honest to God, with all bias aside...believe that Herc is on par with an all-out/bloodlusted DoS Superman?
Carv is trying his best to trap me, because he's salty about something I pointed out a few months/years ago.
My point back then was that in team books, characters are sometimes written down, whilst others are written up, compared to their solo titles. Batman in JL is way more uber than in Detective Comics, for example.
I used this with the Avengers. Jane Thor in her solo was written way more powerful than in Avengers, hence, Immortal Hulk shrugging her off wasn't strictly comparable to her batting entire galaxies away or whatever.
So in THIS thread, Carv is trying to say that the Superman who was killed, the bloodlusted DoS Superman, was written weak - so DOS Doomsday isn't all that.
Even though, you know, DOS took place in Superman's own book, not a team book, and moreover, Death Metal means Doomsday killed a Supes who had towed planets or w/ever.
Lol... someone must've hit the report button for a mod to show up. Stop being so sensitive. The debate is reasonable. If you don't like the topic being discussed here, avoid it. You're a dangerous person to debate with, Dark. You intentionally egg debates to hit the report button. Imo, that defines trolling. You're ingored again. Hercules wins this. Outside of any other Doomsday, he dies.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... someone must've hit the report button for a mod to show up. Stop being so sensitive. The debate is reasonable. If you don't like the topic being discussed here, avoid it. You're a dangerous person to debate with, Dark. You intentionally egg debates to hit the report button. Imo, that defines trolling. You're ingored again. Hercules wins this. Outside of any other Doomsday, he dies.
I didn't report you. I ALWAYS tell people when I have - please don't throw wild accusations around.
Galan can even show proof, if proof be needed. As always, you misunderstand me, Carv. Stop projecting. If you can't address my point, fine, I don't mind being on ignore and you running away.
But don't accuse me of reporting you, and accuse me of trolling, when I didn't. Galan is a poster who can post wherever and whenever he feels like it, it doesn't mean I summoned him magically, lol.
I personally thought it was a reasonable debate.....had it been Phildo or anyone else, you would have had insults slung your way by now.
Originally posted by carver9
@Squall,Do you not understand what is being debated here?
Do you?
Pre DOS is still a thing. Pre DOS DD is still DD, but far weaker. They are not two different beings.
Now if I were using HP DD feats as a way to prop DOS DD, then there would be a problem. Or if we were debating Pre DOS, and I used DOS feats to help DD, that would again be a problem.