Originally posted by Highfather Herc
I literally posted a Silver Age comic where Hercules says, "Hercules need not breathe." Literally. The exact words. Why would this not apply to Thor as well?
In general, they both need to breathe. There might be an exception or two, but those are just exceptions.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor has said the same to Red Hulk far more recently and then passed out from lack of oxygen in another comic.In general, they both need to breathe. There might be an exception or two, but those are just exceptions.
Superman is inconsistent too. Arguably more.
Originally posted by Highfather Herc
Not in general. Some times. And there aren't one or two exceptions. There are many examples of them bopping around in space without an air supply. I don't know why anyone would pretend that Thor doesn't have many examples of moving around in space without a helmet if they've actually picked up Thor's comics.Superman is inconsistent too. Arguably more.
That mask is for communication. You'll have to go back decades to find Superman passing out from lack of oxygen. Not so much for Thor.
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is just last year lol, Thor needed to vaporize a lake before he drowns.
Originally posted by Highfather HercNo, Superman hasn't needed oxygen in mainstream continuity since Byrne.
Yeah. Inconsistent at best, but originally they didn't need to breathe. Unless you think there's a reason that Hercules doesn't need to breathe in the 1960's comics, but Thor does for some reason. Also, when Superman is out in space... isn't he usually holding his breath? Like I said, you can find examples pointing to both. The Gorr fight was almost all in space with lots of talking too. At first, they didn't need it. Some later writers decided Thor did. Others decided he didn't.
Originally posted by Highfather Herc
Yeah. Inconsistent at best, but originally they didn't need to breathe. Unless you think there's a reason that Hercules doesn't need to breathe in the 1960's comics, but Thor does for some reason. Also, when Superman is out in space... isn't he usually holding his breath? Like I said, you can find examples pointing to both. The Gorr fight was almost all in space with lots of talking too. At first, they didn't need it. Some later writers decided Thor did. Others decided he didn't.
Like I said, I can bring several examples of Thor passing out without oxygen or threatened to be drowned. You simply don't see it with Superman.
Also Hercules is an Olympian, a true immortal. Thor. Needs apples of idunn for immortality. They're not the same race.
Just for the Superman whether needs to breathe problem
I'm recently reading Superboy(Kal-El)/recording his history
From my impression, many comics first state he can hold his breath indefinitely(mostly Golden age) and then just outright state he doesn't need to breathe
Some examples I have posed above
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Since this thread was bumped again
Just some stray thought, but i think it may be fun to see if Superboy's no need air/oxygen/doesn't need to breathe or such can be a reverse one-to-one to Thor's "need to breathe" showingsThor's
Superman/Superboy(Kal-el,Clark Kent,Superman when he was a boy)
1: Superboy found out he doesn't need to breathe when he first mastered flying
https://ibb.co/tHL2TP82: Superboy when he was a baby was stated to doesn't need to breathe air like other humans
https://ibb.co/yB5Yx6h3: Superboy(when he was a baby) was stated to doesn't need to breathe underwater
https://ibb.co/XCrqt1P4: Superboy is impervious to lack of air
https://ibb.co/Bt7mbW95: Superboy can exist without breathing
https://ibb.co/p1Nxvk76: Letter pages confirmations. Superboy/man doesn't need to breathe(or eat,drink etc)
https://ibb.co/vmTQV25
https://ibb.co/hLQytwK7: Superboy could have existed underwater without breathing if his invulnerability weren't impaired by red sun radiation
https://ibb.co/1Gt0KVb
https://ibb.co/8dMdzmG8: Superboy can't be drowned or suffocated
https://ibb.co/HX58Fn5
https://ibb.co/C7gc7jCFinished and counted....It seems unless I begin to including Superman's, Thor seems to have won the contest(in reverse)
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Pretty sure even after Silver Age, the need for breathing also varies from writer to writersuperman 251, Bronze Age
https://ibb.co/st8DvK6Post-crisis
https://ibb.co/WGzkmm2New 52
https://ibb.co/gTS6vNvAnd if we don't want too strictly speaking, then back in the Golden Age. Superboy(Earth-1 Kal-El) consistently was stated to be can hold his breathe indefinitely
https://ibb.co/qybmvNC
https://ibb.co/k5C9kFGAnd incapable of being suffocated, bronze age
https://ibb.co/y8zPZxw
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
What I'm asking for is a claim like "survive without air indefinitely," or something that makes it unambiguously clear that it is forever. And one confirmation is enough, because then you can say that at least one author thinks he can.
Of course there are instances clarifying that he does need air.
Man of Steel (1991) #30
So what I'm wondering is whether there's any actual evidence that contradicts scenes like the one above (and similar scenes) by clarifying beyond any reasonable doubt that he can hold his breath forever?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it is canon, unlike you I actually read comics.Action Comics 696. Superman gets overcharged on solar radiation and stops needing to breath. Now, he's naturally that powerful.
I'm specifically asking for whether there's exist a piece of evidence that clarifies that he could do it forever by actual wording, not inference.
Originally posted by Astner
"Not needing air," and similar phrasings aren't descriptive enough. I don't need air (for thirty seconds) when I'm diving.What I'm asking for is a claim like "survive without air indefinitely," or something that makes it unambiguously clear that it is forever. And one confirmation is enough, because then you can say that at least one author thinks he can.
Of course there are instances clarifying that he does need air.
Man of Steel (1991) #30
So what I'm wondering is whether there's any actual evidence that contradicts scenes like the one above (and similar scenes) by clarifying beyond any reasonable doubt that he can hold his breath forever?
Yes, but this, likewise, isn't definitive. It could just mean that he could hold his breath for extended periods of time when amped by yellow sunlight.
I'm specifically asking for whether there's exist a piece of evidence that clarifies that he could do it forever by actual wording, not inference.
You really can't read.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman simply no longer needs oxygen once he has enough solar energy.Like I said, I can bring several examples of Thor passing out without oxygen or threatened to be drowned. You simply don't see it with Superman.
Also Hercules is an Olympian, a true immortal. Thor. Needs apples of idunn for immortality. They're not the same race.
Originally posted by Highfather Herc
That's true, but I still say that there are enough examples of Thor in space without a helmet to say that it's just inconsistent. There are even examples of him talking in space.