Venezuelan migrant has message for socialism-lovers in USA

Originally posted by Newjak
It's also true that the U.S. is not only capitalist either.

As PR said every country is a blended system and there shouldn't be any problem with us emulating the parts of countries that work and help make people live better lives then here in the U.S.

And that is what the majority of progressive people want to do but conservatives want to get bogged down in a definition discussion.

I agree most countries are a blended system and defining your goal or objective isn't something bogging the system. That's literally what people do to hide their purpose.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I suppose if we're going to hold Venezuela up as the defining example of a socialist country then we should hold somewhere like Syria up as the defining example of capitalism as well.

Wow, Syria has a non interventionist government that only upholds negative rights ?

I didn't know that at all. Tell me more.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, except that you keep calling me a socialist when I'm not one. Are you not capable of having something at least approaching a grown-up conversation? Or is all you can do snip and snipe so you can come across as being an *******?

Communism and socialism aren't the same thing, so I don't know why you brought that up.

It wasn't the US, though. Even if they contributed (whether they did or not, I can't say), Hugo Chavez and his legitimately stupid reign, and the consequences of which, is why I believe the country is the way it is more than any other factor. And he was no socialist.

Honestly though, I don't know what we're supposed to call him other than a greedy, incompetent imbecile.

Socialism and communism are the same thing.

It's where the means of production are either held by workers democratically or by a dictator or dictator class. The distinction doesn't matter and ends the Same.

All communists are greedy and all communist countries collapse.

And still no one wants to address Iceland 🇮🇸

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Socialism and communism are the same thing.

It's where the means of production are either held by workers democratically or by a dictator or dictator class. The distinction doesn't matter and ends the Same.

All communists are greedy and all communist countries collapse.

No, they're not. And I think it's pretty disingenuous to claim otherwise.

You just named one difference.

That's not relevant to the discussion.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Socialism and communism are the same thing.

It's where the means of production are either held by workers democratically or by a dictator or dictator class. The distinction doesn't matter and ends the Same.

All communists are greedy and all communist countries collapse.

Cuba, Vietnam, and China are still standing and officially Communist.

Originally posted by roughrider
Cuba, Vietnam, and China are still standing and officially Communist.

Would you want to live in any of them?

Originally posted by Klaw
Would you want to live in any of them?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Socialism and communism are the same thing.

It's where the means of production are either held by workers democratically or by a dictator or dictator class. The distinction doesn't matter and ends the Same.

All communists are greedy and all communist countries collapse.

You literally just argued that state interventionism and statelessness are the same thing. Guess what? All countries eventually collapse. This is why you are too stupid to engage with.

Socialism is merely communism in disguise. The end goal of socialism is communism no matter how much Bernie supporters argue otherwise.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Socialism and communism are the same thing.

It's where the means of production are either held by workers democratically or by a dictator or dictator class. The distinction doesn't matter and ends the Same.

All communists are greedy and all communist countries collapse.

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Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I suppose if we're going to hold Venezuela up as the defining example of a socialist country then we should hold somewhere like Syria up as the defining example of capitalism as well.

LOL. As if Venezuela is the only example of failed socialism. Capitalism has pulled far more people out of poverty than socialism ever will.

Seems I may've been mistaken when I said you were the closest thing to a centrist on this forum. Centrists don't f***ing praise socialism, ffs... smh.

LOL@all of the idiots here praising such a failed social and economic system as socialism..... smh. Some people really need to pick up a history book every now and then... smh. You might actually learn something worthwhile instead of some nonsense about climate change and there being five dozen genders lol.

4 posts, and not a decent ****ing sentence from any of them.

Dude, get an education. Seriously. Even a ****ing GED or something.

Laos and Thailand had communist/fascist governments in their time. I’m sure a lot of members here would condemn them.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
LOL. As if Venezuela is the only example of failed socialism. Capitalism has pulled far more people out of poverty than socialism ever will.

Seems I may've been mistaken when I said you were the closest thing to a centrist on this forum. Centrists don't f***ing praise socialism, ffs... smh.

Weird because you've always said that it was me that claimed I was a centrist and that I was lying. Now you're saying it was you that claimed I'm a centrist.

Also interested where in that post I praised socialism.

Also interesting that you entirely missed my point.

Originally posted by Blakemore
And still no one wants to address Iceland 🇮🇸

Oh, I'm so sorry you can't convince me to come around to your side and see things the f***ed-up way you socialist-lovers see them, PR.

I can see how much it is pissing you off that you are trying so hard to get me to get on board with your shitty ideology and are failing so pathetically (as are all other socialists in this thread) to get me to renounce capitalism which has proven time.... and time.... and time.... and time again to be a far superior system than socialism.

I know you probably desperately want me to be "re-educated" in gulags or so-called "re-education camps" so I will come around to seeing things your way as so many Bernie supporters are already on record saying that is what they want done with conservatives.

Unforunately for you, you don't have the power to do that to me. Bummer, eh? The only thing you can actually do to me for so vehemently opposing your ideology is ban me from this shitty forum. Let's be real, that is the ONLY way you will ever stop me from talking negatively here about your beloved socialism because otherwise I promise you I will never stop.

Considering what happened to Surtur it wouldn't surprise me if you did.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Oh, I'm so sorry you can't convince me to come around to your side and see things the f***ed-up way you socialist-lovers see them, PR.

I can see how much it is pissing you off that you are trying so hard to get me to get on board with your shitty ideology and are failing so pathetically (as are all other socialists in this thread) to get me to renounce capitalism which has proven time.... and time.... and time.... and time again to be a far superior system than socialism.

I know you probably desperately want me to be "re-educated" in gulags or so-called "re-education camps" so I will come around to seeing things your way as so many Bernie supporters are already on record saying that is what they want done with conservatives.

Unforunately for you, you don't have the power to do that to me. Bummer, eh? The only thing you can actually do to me for so vehemently opposing your ideology is ban me from this shitty forum. Let's be real, that is the ONLY way you will ever stop me from talking negatively here about your beloved socialism because otherwise I promise you I will never stop.

Considering what happened to Surtur it wouldn't surprise me if you did.

Again, you call me something I'm not. It's like you're not even reading the ****ing posts, just picking the stuff you want to rage at and leaping on it like a madman.

You accuse me of being angry, but you were the one that started hurling shit. And continued doing it for no reason.

I never asked you to renounce capitalism. Not once. If you had read my posts, you'd know that.

Again, making wild, swinging for the fences claims that have no substance.

So because I like some things Bernie said, I agree with all his followers? Way to paint everyone with the one brush.

Get out of your own *******. Seriously. You came in this thread flinging shit and making weird accusations. You came in to this thread stating things that weren't true, and now you claim that other people are angry at you? Really? You're gonna have to put out some better bait than that, because so far, it's been piss poor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Again, you call me something I'm not. It's like you're not even reading the ****ing posts, just picking the stuff you want to rage at and leaping on it like a madman.

You accuse me of being angry, but you were the one that started hurling shit. And continued doing it for no reason.

I never asked you to renounce capitalism. Not once. If you had read my posts, you'd know that.

Again, making wild, swinging for the fences claims that have no substance.

So because I like some things Bernie said, I agree with all his followers? Way to paint everyone with the one brush.

Get out of your own *******. Seriously. You came in this thread flinging shit and making weird accusations. You came in to this thread stating things that weren't true, and now you claim that other people are angry at you? Really? You're gonna have to put out some better bait than that, because so far, it's been piss poor.