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Originally posted by carver9
😕 ... I don't know but again, CURRENT Superman can not achieve anything close to PreCrisis level fts, so it really doesn't matter. Does his magic weakness and red sunlight showings from Precrisis also count?

Hmmm.

He have magical low showings far outweighing that and then we have this... remember, all showings matter.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-70f35a62cdc7f225a3c02f61df877e4f

Indeed they do.

I have made my thread for the mods here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t676262.html

So let us see.

Mind you, using low showings breaks the 'Full Capacity' rule 🙂

Gotcha...remember, if all past things count, for every speed ft you post, there is a counter. Example, this...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bb59b84cbdae0bf9faa23523b66191d8

Full capacity rule, my friend. Please stop misinterpreting the rules.

How is that scan misrepresented? Tell me in that scan what was said for me to misrepresent it? Does full capacity means nothing but high showings? Or do we average everything out?

Originally posted by carver9
How is that scan misrepresented? Tell me in that scan what was said for me to misrepresent it? Does full capacity means nothing but high showings? Or do we average everything out?

Post the rules which state we use average showings.....

Full capacity means they fight at their optimum levels. So you using that scan is clearly not Superman at his best.

Post the rules that states we use nothing but high showings. To the best of their abilities doesn't mean nothing but high showings either since we haven't came to the conclusion on what defines the their best.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer is weaker back then than he is now. Wtf. Why is this so hard to comprehend? Superman is more powerful back then than he is now. Posted scans for classic Surfer achieving great fts when overall he was WEAKER proves how powerful CURRENT Surfer is. Posting scans of Precrisis Superman a more powerful version of Supes compared to current Superman doesn't make one bit of sense. You might as well post Sundip fts for a non amped Superman.😶😶😶
Your analogy is terrible. Firstly, What Superman did here isnt when he was amped. Secondly, pre-crisis and post-crisis and post-flashpoint are the same character thanks to Death Metal. And DC havent given any official explicit proofs that current Superman is weaker than his previous self
So its more like the thread purpose is you trying to wank some of your characters while knowing if we use high end feats for Superman then he will beat the characters that you want to wank

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Your analogy is terrible. Firstly, What Superman did here isnt when he was amped. Secondly, pre-crisis and post-crisis and post-flashpoint are the same character thanks to Death Metal. And DC havent given any official explicit proofs that current Superman is weaker than his previous self
So its more like the thread purpose is you trying to wank some of your characters while knowing if we use high end feats for Superman than he will beat the characters that you want to wank

He's obviously weaker. Pre Crisis Superman vs Current Mongul, how many out of 10 would you give Pre Crisis Superman. Also, Superman admitted he couldn't beat Zaar. I feel confident Pre Crisis Superman would wreck him. Superman also admitted him and Cyborg are equals and I sure as hell don't think Cyborg Superman is anywhere close to Pre Crisis level.

Originally posted by carver9
Post the rules that states we use nothing but high showings. To the best of their abilities doesn't mean nothing but high showings either since we haven't came to the conclusion on what defines the their best.

Don't answer me with a question, you assert we 'average' out their showings.

So prove it. Show me where in the forum rules we do so.

I can't answer that question since again, the mods never defined that. We don't exempt all showings and focus on nothing but highs. Never been like that. Especially looking at how the forum is currently treating Thor.

Imagine if we used nothing but high showings...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109250/2289115-ThorDurability20-300.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
He's obviously weaker. Pre Crisis Superman vs Current Mongul, how many out of 10 would you give Pre Crisis Superman. Also, Superman admitted he couldn't beat Zaar. I feel confident Pre Crisis Superman would wreck him. Superman also admitted him and Cyborg are equals and I sure as hell don't think Cyborg Superman is anywhere close to Pre Crisis level.

You typed a lot trying to say "No, only low showings(lets even assume its true) of Superman are available. But high showings of other characters are allowed even though theyre performed probably decades ago "

Originally posted by carver9
I can't answer that question since again, the mods never defined that. We don't exempt all showings and focus on nothing but highs. Never been like that. Especially looking at how the forum is currently treating Thor.

So based on absolutely nothing ,got ya.

Originally posted by carver9
What help did Surfer have? They fought more than once and to add to that, Surfer was weakened AND Surfer fought him in his element.

Ego. And you're forgetting that Thor was struck from behind.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You typed a lot trying to say "No, only low showings(lets even assume its true) of Superman are available. But high showings of other characters are allowed even though theyre performed probably decades ago "

Which what you're saying, ALL showings are available to use for that character. Gotcha. Which makes my scans I posted relevant. So again, people that have defeated Superman recently, are we assuming they are precrisis level? People that Superman himself admitted is his equal, do we also assume this?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So based on absolutely nothing ,got ya.

For both of our comment, yes. Lol... we don't ignore showings, Dark. Lol!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Which what you're saying, ALL showings are available to use for that character. Gotcha. Which makes my scans I posted relevant. So again, people that have defeated Superman recently, are we assuming they are precrisis level? People that Superman himself admitted is his equal, do we also assume this?
So you just proved my point that you trying to use low showings for Superman while not allowing his high showings. Thanks for admitting your double standard

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you just proved my point that you trying to use low showings for Superman while not allowing his high showings. Thanks for admitting your double standard

I clearly said on the previous page that we need a middle ground. We are either going to focus on his lows, mids or highs or find a middle ground. I for one don't think Hulk have reality warping durability or consistent Abstract level strength consistently which is the reason I don't mention it unless people I'm debating with only focus on high showings. This is obvious unless we can all just agree Thor have Celestial level durability with Chaos King piercing lighting and multiple star level strength. This is IF we just focus on high showings. People like Kalibak and Zaar, Zod, Faora, hell, even Darkseid, should be nothing but a smear under Thor boots.