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Originally posted by carver9
For both of our comment, yes. Lol... we don't ignore showings, Dark. Lol!!!

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability

My stance at least has some merit. You have absolutely nothing.

Here you go, Carv: forum rulings:

*Simply put, the consensus was to remove Superman from the list because he preforms feats well above even the Skyfather tier so routinely that it has basically become his norm these days, and can no longer be viewed as 'outliers' or w/e. It is well established that, when push comes to shove, there's really nothing Superman can't do... No one he can't beat(especially in the all-out/full capacity setting of KMC.)

Originally posted by carver9
I clearly said on the previous page that we need a middle ground. We are either going to focus on his lows, mids or highs or find a middle ground. I for one don't think Hulk have reality warping durability or consistent Abstract level strength consistently which is the reason I don't mention it unless people I'm debating with only focus on high showings. This is obvious unless we can all just agree Thor have Celestial level durability with Chaos King piercing lighting and multiple star level strength. This is IF we just focus on high showings. People like Kalibak and Zaar, Zod, Faora, hell, even Darkseid, should be nothing but a smear under Thor boots.

@Dark...

Seems like the mods are saying we should auto give Superman the win in all threads. If that is the case, then he needs to be removed, period. That's if that rule is still in play. Is that what they are saying? That no matter what, on the forum, he should win?

Your first post was about Flash.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Except Superman did a lot of these crazy things in pre crisis. So where do you draw the line of a middle ground? Or more simple question: What level do you think Superman at when considering all showings in his history
Not to mention Full Capacity rule that allows character to use their best ability. Such as assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability
And as DS posted, Superman does have that speed. But you trying to deny that

Yes, in Pre Crisis. My argument is that, he CURRENTLY can not replicate those showings.

Full capacity is talking about powers, not the capabilities of those powers. Example, I can't say Superman won't use his speed if there's evidence that he does have Superman speed. It also doesn't mean use nothing but high showings. Again I ask, if we are using nothing but high showings, do you agree with Zod not being able to scratch Thor and Thor being able to melt his body with one hit based off Thor high showings (damaging Chaos King, punching Gor so hard, Stars light years away was flickering)? Don't avoid the question.

Originally posted by carver9
@Dark...

Seems like the mods are saying we should auto give Superman the win in all threads. If that is the case, then he needs to be removed, period. That's if that rule is still in play. Is that what they are saying? That no matter what, on the forum, he should win?

Your first post was about Flash.

I underlined the important part for you. Flash has that level of speed.

Superman has that level of speed. Level of strength etc.

As for the second post, that rule is indeed in play. Guess you missed it 😂

It's about Flash, not Superman.

Also, if that is a rule, like I said, they should ban Superman. The mods are just as human as we are, they wank the F out or Superman. This is quite obvious. If they made that little piece you posted facts, it is pointless even discussing this character.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, in Pre Crisis. My argument is that, he CURRENTLY can not replicate those showings.

Full capacity is talking about powers, not the capabilities of those powers. Example, I can't say Superman won't use his speed if there's evidence that he does have Superman speed. It also doesn't mean use nothing but high showings. Again I ask, if we are using nothing but high showings, do you agree with Zod not being able to scratch Thor and Thor being able to melt his body with one hit based off Thor high showings (damaging Chaos King, punching Gor so hard, Stars light years away was flickering)? Don't avoid the question.

Originally posted by Galan007
Same.

If indeed all character showings(in DC's history) become usable after this event, people will just have to specify which 'version' of the characters they're intending to use in the OP. For example: "post-Crisis" Superman, "DCnU" Superman, "Rebirth" Superman, etc.

...Unless they want all of Superman's showings(across all eras) to be usable. In which case it would default to "current" Superman.

Going to be a royal pain in the ass.

Originally posted by -Pr-
In part, yes. It was never "OMGZ Superman is an heckin' Skyfather!"; it was always more about how Superman defies classification, and the headaches that come with that.

People still either haven't read Doomsday Clock, or don't understand that PRE-CRISIS stuff, in it's entirety, was basically made canon. PRE-CRISIS. And everyone knows how ridiculous that guy was.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So Carver using old showings for Surfer while not allowing others to use old showings for Superman. Seems pretty double standard 📖

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So basically current Superman= all era Superman per mods
And how does the rest you said relevant to my point?
Here thats what I said in my original post

Like I said, My whole point is your double standard. The entire thread you made just trying to wank some of your characters

WTF, how do you not understand my point. Again, Surfer...currently...is...more...powerful...than...his...classic...self. Current...Superman...is...weaker...than...his...Pre Crisis...self. 1+1=2. We can BZ this if you want. Pre Crisis Superman and Current Surfer vs Current Superman and Classic Surfer. I'm down. If you don't understand what I'm saying, then this debate is over.

Superman wins easily.

Originally posted by carver9
WTF, how do you not understand my point. Again, Surfer...currently...is...more...powerful...than...his...classic...self. Current...Superman...is...weaker...than...his...Pre Crisis...self. 1+1=2. We can BZ this if you want. Pre Crisis Superman and Current Surfer vs Current Superman and Classic Surfer. I'm down. If you don't understand what I'm saying, then this debate is over.

Originally posted by Galan007
Same.

If indeed all character showings(in DC's history) become usable after this event, people will just have to specify which 'version' of the characters they're intending to use in the OP. For example: "post-Crisis" Superman, "DCnU" Superman, "Rebirth" Superman, etc.

...Unless they want all of Superman's showings(across all eras) to be usable. In which case it would default to "current" Superman.

Going to be a royal pain in the ass.

Originally posted by carver9
It's about Flash, not Superman.

Also, if that is a rule, like I said, they should ban Superman. The mods are just as human as we are, they wank the F out or Superman. This is quite obvious. If they made that little piece you posted facts, it is pointless even discussing this character.

It's literally part of the official tiers thread.

And the flash part was to show the LEVELS are what are being discussed. Power LEVELS.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And my point is Superman is the same character and if we want to use his pre crisis stuff we can use per mods. Also this debate isnt about A VS B, Its about your double standard. Same words to you: If you dont understand what Im saying then this debate is over

And this is where you're comprehension fails again. I used old scans because Surfer is more powerful RIGHT NOW than he was back then. I didn't use Pre Crisis Superman scans for current Supes because Current Supes is WEAKER than Pre Crisis Supes. What does this mean? Surfer scans is relevant and Precrisis scans are irrelevant since current Supes can't replicate the fts. Again, 1+1=2.

Where did the mods make a rule on Precrisis fts = current Supes? They have a lot of work on the forum and they need some major modifications to the entire forum and characters if Pre Crisis showings are relevant again. I wish them the best of luck.

Originally posted by carver9
And this is where you're comprehension fails again. I used old scans because Surfer is more powerful RIGHT NOW than he was back then. I didn't use Pre Crisis Superman scans for current Supes because Current Supes is WEAKER than Pre Crisis Supes. What does this mean? Surfer scans is relevant and Precrisis scans are irrelevant since current Supes can't replicate the fts. Again, 1+1=2.

Where did the mods make a rule on Precrisis fts = current Supes? They have a lot of work on the forum and they need some major modifications to the entire forum and characters if Pre Crisis showings are relevant again. I wish them the best of luck.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Your analogy is terrible. Firstly, What Superman did here isnt when he was amped. Secondly, pre-crisis and post-crisis and post-flashpoint are the same character thanks to Death Metal. And DC havent given any official explicit proofs that current Superman is weaker than his previous self
So its more like the thread purpose is you trying to wank some of your characters while knowing if we use high end feats for Superman then he will beat the characters that you want to wank

Originally posted by Galan007
Same.

If indeed all character showings(in DC's history) become usable after this event, people will just have to specify which 'version' of the characters they're intending to use in the OP. For example: "post-Crisis" Superman, "DCnU" Superman, "Rebirth" Superman, etc.

...Unless they want all of Superman's showings(across all eras) to be usable. In which case it would default to "current" Superman .

Going to be a royal pain in the ass.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So firstly, You need to give us that current Superman gets official depowered proofs. 1=1

Current Superman=All era showings of Superman

I can easily post scans proving Superman doesn't equal Pre Crisis Superman.

Thats not a ruling. That's a mod making a statement.

Originally posted by -Pr-

**** no.

Originally posted by carver9
I can easily post scans proving Superman doesn't equal Pre Crisis Superman.

Thats not a ruling. That's a mod making a statement.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And I can post scans to prove the DC have officially canonized all era of DC 🙂
A statement about this topic made by a mod gives my opinions some merit, no?

You'll post stuff from an era where characters were tremendously more powerful than their current self. Go right ahead but again, there's no merit that Superman can replicate ANY of those showings recently. You'll basically be posting scans from another character. Then, like I said before, post Crisis scans would then be Canon as well and can not be discredited. It's a mess upon mess because even though You'll post Pre Crisis scans, I can counter it with things that happened after Pre Crisis, within the post Crisis era, then I can counter that with Rebirth showings. Then I can provide scans of Zaar being>>>>>>Pre Crisis Superman since he beat, well, Superman. Then I can post scans of current Zod being=to Pre Crisis Superman but while amped by 2 sun's, being weaker than Lantern. 😕

It's not a rule. Post that all you want. It's not in the ruling.

Originally posted by carver9
I can easily post scans proving Superman doesn't equal Pre Crisis Superman.

Thats not a ruling. That's a mod making a statement.

There's also Galan still 🙂

Originally posted by carver9
You'll post stuff from an era where characters were tremendously more powerful than their current self. Go right ahead but again, there's no merit that Superman can replicate ANY of those showings recently. You'll basically be posting scans from another character. Then, like I said before, post Crisis scans would then be Canon as well and can not be discredited. It's a mess upon mess because even though You'll post Pre Crisis scans, I can counter it with things that happened after Pre Crisis, within the post Crisis era, then I can counter that with Rebirth showings. Then I can provide scans of Zaar being>>>>>>Pre Crisis Superman since he beat, well, Superman. Then I can post scans of current Zod being=to Pre Crisis Superman but while amped by 2 sun's, being weaker than Lantern. 😕

It's not a rule. Post that all you want. It's not in the ruling.

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability

Originally posted by Galan007
I am currently of the opinion that everything in DC's published history is now canon and therefore up for grabs -- most material seems to paint that picture.

But yeah, if you don't want the 'composite canon' thing to be used, just specify a particular version of the character in the OP.