Originally posted by carver9
It's simple. Juggernaut for one have an enchantment and Juggernaut is obviously stronger and more powerful than Colossus. His fight with Juggernaut would've taken much longer than his fight against Colossus and he mentions that he was short on time. Proof that he held back the entire time...https://ibb.co/rbBS7yn
https://ibb.co/c2xxk86
https://ibb.co/QfMZj3V
Juggernaut's enchantment doesn't work like that. He needs to start moving to be unstoppable, and he can't do that unless he overpowers Hulk.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hulk made Guido one-shot himself.And he did one-shot Warpath.
As for Wolverine, he needed to land multiple punches, as there was no other way to overload his healing factor. A single punch, no matter how powerful, won't do more than turning Logan's organs to jelly - something that always happens when he's facing strong bricks. Recovering from that isn't the problem. Repeating the feat several (or dozens of) times - now that's when the hf begins to fail, as it doesn't run on infinite energy.
You are a moron, carver.
This post didn't make one bit of sense and it didn't go against anything I've said in my post. Nice try though.
Originally posted by carver9
This post didn't make one bit of sense and it didn't go against anything I've said in my post. Nice try though.
So you don't know how Wolverine's healing factor works?
Logan has a human-level durability; he gets his organs liqueified each time he goes against Class 100 threats.
Punching him harder won't get the desired result.
What, you're going to somehow liqueify him more? 😂 Same as you struggled to rip tinfoil, yes?
Originally posted by carver9
So Dark change his stance about one punching and now he's upping it to 2 or 3. How about 5, 6 or 7. He is holding back, so we might as well keep increasing the numbers.
Lol.
If you want to try to debate against me, at least try to understand my point.
Against his own cousin, She-Hulk (remember how he loves his family), he one shots her:
https://i.imgur.com/RBT1hlo.jpg
Against Ares, one shot:
https://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/World_010afc_5677103.jpg
Against depowered Cain, three shot:
https://i.imgur.com/k0bTjPT.jpg
When locking hands, he was happy to cripple Colossus:
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/hulk16.jpg
And Mr Gideon:
https://i.imgur.com/9yWXzg4.jpeg
So the point here is, for the slow people in the back:
WWH had the mindset to cripple/one-shot people, IF HE COULD. He was perfectly happy to smash Cain's face into the ground, WHEN CAIN WAS DEPOWERED.
Hell, he was happy to repeatedly smash Logan's face in, instead of, you know, throwing him to New Jersey. 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, whatever punches.
Yet, when Cain was powered up...no crippling. No real punching. Straightaway, he locked hands with Cain, and decided he wanted no part of a fight with him.
THAT shows how strong Cain is. The angriest, strongest ever Hulk would rather BFR him than engage in a fight, or even attempt to cripple. You say he was holding back? He seems perfectly happy oneshotting his own cousin. Perfectly happy to cripple Colossus in one move. Perfectly happy to take the time to keep punching Logan, instead of just throwing him.
And all this, ignores Stoic's original point, that Hulk has no upper limit, lol.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So you don't know how Wolverine's healing factor works?Logan has a human-level durability; he gets his organs liqueified each time he goes against Class 100 threats.
Punching him harder won't get the desired result.
What, you're going to somehow liqueify him more? 😂 Same as you struggled to rip tinfoil, yes?
Wolverine has been koed before by people far weaker than Hulk. I get it, you and I want Wolverine to be unstoppable but he isn't. He can be ktfo. That wasn't the point of my post. My point was, Hulk did NOT one punch him along with a couple of other people. That doesn't make them his equal. Like Dark said, it doesn't require 1 punch to be his equal, it's 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 punches and you're right there. Crazy thing is, if I had this same argument using the Black Adam vs Superman fight, calling them equals because Superman admitted he couldn't even move Black Adam out of the city, most of the people here would disagree because they are DC fanatics. They pick and choose what they want depending on the characters.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He made Herc a bloody mess lying on the ground even though he knew he was being offered help...
👆
Call it writer inconsistencies if you want - inevitable when you have so many writers on an event - but this Hulk was also consistently written to be sadistic (hence the punching of Logan). He wanted Marvel Earth to suffer.
Then Cain comes along, and whoops, BFR time, look, I don't have time to waste, gotta go, I know I've been spending the past 3 issues fighting and talking instead of just chucking everyone away, but I really don't have time...
It's like posters when they say they have no time for a BZ...then spend days and pages on a single topic, lol.
Herc issue 107 the last page...
Herc issue 108, the first page. His a** was getting up talking like nothing happened the next panel. Try harders...
Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine has been koed before by people far weaker than Hulk. I get it, you and I want Wolverine to be unstoppable but he isn't. He can be ktfo. That wasn't the point of my post. My point was, Hulk did NOT one punch him along with a couple of other people. That doesn't make them his equal. Like Dark said, it doesn't require 1 punch to be his equal, it's 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 punches and you're right there. Crazy thing is, if I had this same argument using the Black Adam vs Superman fight, calling them equals because Superman admitted he couldn't even move Black Adam out of the city, most of the people here would disagree because they are DC fanatics. They pick and choose what they want depending on the characters.
But that "couple of other people" did get one punched.
Knocking Wolverine out usually involves bleeding him out or some other means - something that blunt force trauma simply fails to do.
He took more Class 100 blows from WWH than almost any other brick in the whole event.
Originally posted by carver9
Herc issue 107 the last page...Herc issue 108, the first page. His a** was getting up talking like nothing happened the next panel. Try harders...
Let's see.
Trouble speaking and still on his knees.
"Like nothing hapened" 😂
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He made Herc a bloody mess lying on the ground even though he knew he was being offered help...
Originally posted by carver9
And he stopped. Also, Herc wasn't a bloody mess, lmfao. He was damaged but he was standing up moments later.
Who is right?
Gotta say, carver is swaying me. Herc WASN'T a bloody mess, and he WASN'T lying on the ground.....😂
Btw, all this started with WWH attacking Amadeus, a 16 year old kid with no durability feats, trying to help Hulk, lmao.
Good to see the holding back was in action 👆
Here's the full page, showing how WWH holds back against his enemies (spoiler alert: he smashes Herc's face in whilst Herc is on his knees, telling him not to fight and not fighting back lmao):
The main point Stilt made is still there, though. WWH wasn't treating people with kid gloves. Yet, suddenly, with Juggy?
'Oh noes, please run away from me Mr Juggynaut! I have no time today!!'
Originally posted by cdtm
Depends.Do you think Hulk is stupid? 🙂
Because if time is of the essence, what possible reason does he have to hold back and prolong playing around with The Juggernaut?
At that point the story had climaxed. Hulk found out what he needed to know and then some. Hulk had no motivating factor to have a long drawn out fight against juggernaut. I'm not really saying that he was "holding back" but for sure he wasn't at peak level.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But that "couple of other people" did get one punched.Knocking Wolverine out usually involves bleeding him out or some other means - something that blunt force trauma simply fails to do.
He took more Class 100 blows from WWH than almost any other brick in the whole event.
Let's see.
Trouble speaking and still on his knees.
"Like nothing hapened" 😂
🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿... he's been knocked out by far less. He's been knocked out by things that doesn't even register to what Hulk is even capable of. You saying him being capable of enduring a full on onslaught from Hulk going all out should mean everything he's been koed by is PIS and we both know that isn't the case. Stop fanboying.
Yes, he was OK. You should probably read Incredible Hulk issue 108.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆Call it writer inconsistencies if you want - inevitable when you have so many writers on an event - but this Hulk was also consistently written to be sadistic (hence the punching of Logan). He wanted Marvel Earth to suffer.
Then Cain comes along, and whoops, BFR time, look, I don't have time to waste, gotta go, I know I've been spending the past 3 issues fighting and talking instead of just chucking everyone away, but I really don't have time...
It's like posters when they say they have no time for a BZ...then spend days and pages on a single topic, lol.
I just don't think the fight would play out the same had juggernaut stepped to hulk right after Rick Jones death...
Originally posted by Booya_69
At that point the story had climaxed. Hulk found out what he needed to know and then some. Hulk had no motivating factor to have a long drawn out fight against juggernaut. I'm not really saying that he was "holding back" but for sure he wasn't at peak level.
Actually, that's not right. Nothing had changed before or after fighting Cain - he was still after Xavier. Only AFTER Cain, when Mercury spoke to him, did Hulk lose the motivation, so to speak.
Before that? He was in the same mindset he had been when crippling Colossus, or giving Logan brain damage etc.
Originally posted by Booya_69
I just don't think the fight would play out the same had juggernaut stepped to hulk right after Rick Jones death...
