How strong is Hercules really by comparison.........

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao. OK. I will school you, again, like with Juggy's powers.

So, from the start, Guido's heart always gave out if he got too much energy. It was a theme throughout X-Factor:

Forge gave him a gadget that would help him:

It wasn't a pacemaker per se, but something that would work with his powers and strengthen his heart.

It can still be overloaded, though, notably when he died. Note, he was shot through the chest, dying, when he then got back to his feet and saved the crowd from the Mandroid (heh, shielding people when dying. Classic Guido) [b]Note that this is in 2011, AFTER WWH - so he still has a weak heart):

Until his heart finally gave out.

So, let's walk this through, step-by step:

1. Guido has a weak heart
2. This was always a weakness of his
3. Forge made a gadget that mitigated this
4. Too much strain can still overload him, and kill him. But if he backs off, or releases that energy, he won't die.
5. At his death, even though he was shot through the chest, he was still able to walk and talk and catch a falling MAndroid and save an entire crowd from it crushing them. Until his heart was overloaded and he died. [/B]

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Originally posted by Psychotron
It's sad when writers have to confirm the obvious. It's not like this is the first time Juggernaut and Hulk fought, and they have always been presented as physical peers.

If Hulk fans want a legit example of him stopping Juggernaut's charge, then it happened when he was War Hulk... but it took some time.

Originally posted by cdtm
You know, if it was as easy as breaking the ground Juggernaut wouldn't be nearly as unstoppable, because the ground should break up as soon as he charged into Hulk or someone.

Since he's pushing off the ground and all.

But Juggernaut is powered by magic, whereas Blob is not.

Two different things, two different powersets and two different debates with different posters.

Pay attention or slip under shower and snap your fast neck.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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If Hulk fans want a legit example of him stopping Juggernaut's charge, then it happened when he was War Hulk... but it took some time.

But Juggernaut is powered by magic, whereas Blob is not.

Two different things, two different powersets and two different debates with different posters.

Pay attention or slip under shower and snap your fast neck.

Even so, why is Hulk doing it a feat?

How much does Blob actually weight? Assuming 500 lbs and his mutant power clamps him to the earth, even someone like Captain America can probably lift it.

Or certainly Colossus can. Must be more going on with his power.

Originally posted by cdtm
Even so, why is Hulk doing it a feat?

It's not a tremendous feat, that's why I corrected Wonder Man and he acknowledged it.

Read things first, complain later.

Originally posted by cdtm
How much does Blob actually weight? Assuming 500 lbs and his mutant power clamps him to the earth, even someone like Captain America can probably lift it.

He can't.

Blob controls his density, so he can weigh more than that.

But his greatest power is his personal gravity field.

Originally posted by cdtm
Or certainly Colossus can. Must be more going on with his power.

Bracing with superhuman strength (an excuse used in comics for decades, so very much works in-universe) + density control + gravity field, that's enough.

Hercules has fabled wins so if you accept his stature you can envision his legendary strength.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If Hulk fans want a legit example of him stopping Juggernaut's charge, then it happened when he was War Hulk... but it took some time.

Wasn't he amped by Celestial tech when that happened?

I thought he was.

It is interesting, though, if you re-read Juggy/WWH's exchange:

We've done this dance before....and I won.

Hulk doesn't correct him. And despite what people have been arguing, note how he says Juggy is going to be dead - hardly the words of a guy not trying to kill, amirite?

Then earlier in the comic, it shows the dangers of just extrapolating from hyperbole. This is the strongest, angriest Hulk to date - that doesn't mean we can just take Savage/Fixit/Prof Hulk etc's feats, and say WWH is better than them.

Because Guido is literally dancing around WWH:

It was basically this in comic form:
YouTube video

And we KNOW WWH was trying to hit him - he's even getting frustrated at his own inability to do so.

Saint, you're trying to hard again.

Not really. It's all in WWH Vs X-Men#3. No need to try hard - unlike WEH trying (and failing) to hit the speedster that is Strong Guy 😂

Anyway, back on topic. Juggy locked hands with the strongest angriest Hulk to date, and matched him in strength. Hulk, in character, was perfectly ok with punching Juggy, with crippling other characters he locked hands with, but didn't with Juggy.

Originally posted by carver9
Saint, you're trying to hard again.

Also the "..."s present everywhere in WWH's dialogue in that scan show that he was really struggling with Juggs. Someone holding back wouldn't display such difficulties speaking during their strength contest.

It's enough that he crippled Colossus when he locked hands with him, but he had to resort to BFR when he locked up with Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Wasn't he amped by Celestial tech when that happened?

He was.

And I believe at the time he also had that thing with being a nexus gateway to Heroes Reborn Pocket Universe?

But my point was that the feat did happen there - regardless of circumstances.

In WWH/X-Men, it's far from being clear and the writer chose to side with the Juggernaut fanboys on the most popular comic forum on the web, so Hulk supporters should really let it go.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

We've done this dance before....and I [b]won.

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It's just a guess, but I believe Cain was referring to that time when he brutally beat Professor Hulk senseless.

PH incarnation was said to be "bigger, greener and stronger than ever" and Marko didn't even bother summoning his Juggernaut armor.

Weaker than most of them.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's just a guess, but I believe Cain was referring to that time when he brutally beat Professor Hulk senseless.

PH incarnation was said to be "bigger, greener and stronger than ever" and Marko didn't even bother summoning his Juggernaut armor.

The Iron Spider of Hulks.

Originally posted by GodofNature
Weaker than most of them.

Yeah, the thread was already done on its first page, but Lawest insisted we kept going, so now we got this carver nonsense.

But since forum is not really active, we can't really say it's distracting us from other topics.

Originally posted by lawest9
Not at all Carver, the scans are proving his point.

Lmao, no it's not. Saint is bias towards Hulk. Nothing he say about the character proves anything.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's enough that he crippled Colossus when he locked hands with him, but he had to resort to BFR when he locked up with Juggernaut.

He could've killed Colossus. He could've killed Guildo, he could've killed Ironman, Thing, Cho. Glad I mentioned Cho. Cho outright said Hulk would never go to far and it was proven time and time again. He damaged Colossus who healed afterwards. He did enough damage to Wolverine to keep him out of the fight. He hit Guildo only hard enough to hurt him. He hit Thing hard enough to keep him out of the fight. Ares, She Hulk, Invisible Woman, even Miek. All of his punches where around his head. Never a killing blow. Even when he turned to WBH at the end, he stood there so that Ironman can take him out of the fight. At the end of all of this, no one was seriously hurt. He held back tremendously. Also, Dark, you need to get a mod ruling because the mods themselves said that all of the fts for previous Hulks can be used for WWH since he is the strongest.

I'm perfectly fine with the mod ruling.

It means Strong Guy is a legit speedster, as is Beast and X-23 and Kitty Pryde etc 😂

Carver went full retard in this thread.

Hulk acknowledged on panel it's not within his ability to kill Wolverine.

Colossus didn't "heal", his arms needed fixing and Elixir was involved, too.

Banner was clueless about most of the X-Men, as he admitted on panel, so there's no way he factored him in.

Amadeus admitted in the end he was wrong about the Hulk and that it was a mistake to side with him.