How strong is Hercules really by comparison.........

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Carver went full retard in this thread.

Hulk acknowledged on panel it's not within his ability to kill Wolverine.

Colossus didn't "heal", his arms needed fixing and Elixir was involved, too.

Banner was clueless about most of the X-Men, as he admitted on panel, so there's no way he factored him in.

Amadeus admitted in the end he was wrong about the Hulk and that it was a mistake to side with him.

And then Amadeus made an even bigger mistake and sided with Hercules, of all people.

Yeah it worked out, but Herc isn't exactly what you'd call stable, or dependable, or not prone to start random fights for kicks and giggles.

For the smartest boy on earth Cho makes really dumb leaps of faith.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Carver went full retard in this thread.

Hulk acknowledged on panel it's not within his ability to kill Wolverine.

Colossus didn't "heal", his arms needed fixing and Elixir was involved, too.

Banner was clueless about most of the X-Men, as he admitted on panel, so there's no way he factored him in.

Amadeus admitted in the end he was wrong about the Hulk and that it was a mistake to side with him.

Who said anything about killing Wolverine? Why are you having a difficult time reading sentences in English?

He admitted he could crush Colossus head if he wanted to.

Throughout the entire comic, Cho proved that Hulk wouldn't kill anyone and Hulk outright admitted it after his fight against Sentry. I posted the scans in this same thread. Again, why are you struggling to comprehend simple English?

Originally posted by carver9
It's simple. Juggernaut for one have an enchantment and Juggernaut is obviously stronger and more powerful than Colossus. His fight with Juggernaut would've taken much longer than his fight against Colossus and he mentions that he was short on time. Proof that he held back the entire time...

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"Remember puny humans, we came here for Justice, not murder. So no one on your planet has died by our hands. And no one will". A child could comprehend this.

Originally posted by carver9
He could've killed Colossus. He could've killed Guildo, he could've killed Ironman, Thing, Cho. Glad I mentioned Cho. Cho outright said Hulk would never go to far and it was proven time and time again. He damaged Colossus who healed afterwards. He did enough damage to Wolverine to keep him out of the fight. He hit Guildo only hard enough to hurt him. He hit Thing hard enough to keep him out of the fight. Ares, She Hulk, Invisible Woman, even Miek. All of his punches where around his head. Never a killing blow. Even when he turned to WBH at the end, he stood there so that Ironman can take him out of the fight. At the end of all of this, no one was seriously hurt. He held back tremendously. Also, Dark, you need to get a mod ruling because the mods themselves said that all of the fts for previous Hulks can be used for WWH since he is the strongest.

You're moving the goal posts. He beat the shit out of Cain when he was depowered, but he couldn't when he was at full strength. He had to resort to BFR.

Originally posted by Psychotron
You're moving the goal posts. He beat the shit out of Cain when he was depowered, but he couldn't when he was at full strength. He had to resort to BFR.

He wasn't there for Cain. A weaker War Hulk was about to destroy a full powered Cain if you recall.

Originally posted by Stoic
He wasn't there for Cain. A weaker War Hulk was about to destroy a full powered Cain if you recall.

Yet was perfectly happy to beat the crap out of Cain when he wasn't at full power. Was perfectly happy to crush Mr Gideon's hands AND break his wrist (arm?), perfectly happy to cripple Colossus....perfectly happy to spend time punching Logan over and over and over and over and over again, instead of simply throwing him to Connecticut......

if you recall.

He could've thrown Cain to Connecticut too. He just felt that it was easier to simply sidestep and send him on his way. Also, as I mentioned, if he was there to capture Cain, or outright destroy him, there is proof the he could. The weaker War Hulk was just about to kill him.

Originally posted by Stoic
He could've thrown Cain to Connecticut too. He just felt that it was easier to simply sidestep and send him on his way.

Exactly.

It was easier to BFR Cain, than to overpower him. That has been our point all along.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly.

It was easier to BFR Cain, than to overpower him. That has been our point all along.

Didn't care about the point. Evidence suggests that since a weaker version of the Hulk could've killed a fully powered Juggernaut, then surely a much more powerful version of the Hulk would be able to as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
Didn't care about the point. Evidence suggests that since a weaker version of the Hulk could've killed a fully powered Juggernaut, then surely a much more powerful version of the Hulk would be able to as well.

Your evidence 'suggests'

The ACTUAL evidence SHOWS that a much more powerful version of the Hulk wasn't able to put Cain down.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your evidence 'suggests'

The ACTUAL evidence SHOWS that a much more powerful version of the Hulk wasn't able to put Cain down.

Because if he put as much power into overpowering Cain as War Hulk did, he would've caused more destruction than was his intent. Pretty simple right?

Originally posted by Stoic
Because if he put as much power into overpowering Cain as War Hulk did, he would've caused more destruction than was his intent. Pretty simple right?

By crippling him a la Colossus and Mr Gideon? Proof?

Because from the actual comic, Xavier was talking to Cain, NOT Hulk:

It was Cain who was causing the destruction. Hulk wasn't. If he could, he would've simply KOd Juggy (like he tried to, with....well, Juggy, lol) or crippled him (like he did in the exact same pose with Colossus and Mr Gideon.

Infinite strength, remember? Should be simple to simply break Juggy's hands/arms.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By crippling him a la Colossus and Mr Gideon? Proof?

Because from the actual comic, Xavier was talking to Cain, NOT Hulk:

It was [b]Cain who was causing the destruction. Hulk wasn't. If he could, he would've simply KOd Juggy (like he tried to, with....well, Juggy, lol) or crippled him (like he did in the exact same pose with Colossus and Mr Gideon.

Infinite strength, remember? Should be simple to simply break Juggy's hands/arms. [/B]

You must have missed the part when they stated that the Hulk was holding back the entire time during that arc. At full capacity he would've used Cain like a basketball.

It was actually Cain who was holding back, due to Xavier's plead. WWH, on the other hand, was trying his best to defeat Juggs with no regard to the damage it might cause.

So then they were both holding back. However, as I mentioned...

Originally posted by Stoic
Because if he put as much power into overpowering Cain as War Hulk did, he would've caused more destruction than was his intent. Pretty simple right?

It was the Celestial technology given to War Hulk by Apocalypse that overcame Juggernaut. This was explicitly stated in the comic.

Originally posted by Stoic
He wasn't there for Cain.

He didn't mind destroying him when Cain was weak. He didn't have a problem with crippling Colossus when he locked up with him. He couldn't do it to Juggernaut, when Cain was at full power. That's the point. Hulk locked up with Juggernaut and was unable to overpower him. Based on the panels it looks like Hulk was the one being overpowered. Cain is in the same strength class as WWH, implied to be stronger. This is undeniable.

Originally posted by Stoic
War Hulk was about to destroy a full powered Cain if you recall.

Originally posted by Magnon
It was the Celestial technology given to War Hulk by Apocalypse that overcame Juggernaut. This was explicitly stated in the comic.

The Celestial tech didn't give him anything that he didn't already possess. Hence, he didn't suddenly sprout wings and fly, didn't begin using telepathy, didn't begin using magic, etc. The tech simply allowed him to more efficiently access his power. The Green Scar was able to do this, but better. He wasn't trying to destroy Cain, just remove him from play.

Originally posted by Stoic
You must have missed the part when they stated that the Hulk was holding back the entire time during that arc. At full capacity he would've used Cain like a basketball.

You seem to equate 'holding back' with 'no killing'.

You can still hold back and cripple people. As seen when he did this to Colossus, Gamma Corps et al.

Crippling is in his MO. Crippling whilst locking hands is DEFINITELY in his MO.

But, as Carver would whine, that's OTHER characters. With Juggy, he seemed perfectly OK to try and 3-shot him - so why not 1-shot Juggy?

3 shots, for a puny Juggy:

Why not a more efficient 1-shot? Don't tell me it's not in his character, lol. He 1-shotted plenty of characters (Ares, HIS OWN COUSIN etc), and it would cause far less damage than a prolonged fight (or even a BFR - WWH's actions blew a hole in Westchester's perimeter wall).

Saying he wasn't there to destroy Juggy is laughable - when we saw him doing exactly that, when Juggy was weak.

WWH seems like a giant bully, tbh.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, the thread was already done on its first page, but Lawest insisted we kept going, so now we got this carver nonsense.

But since forum is not really active, we can't really say it's distracting us from other topics.