Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, but he got cut up by everyone & everything else.Zabu is a sabertooth tiger AMPED by that magical mist, you were kind enough to point that out a few years back and now it comes back and bites you in the ass here.
Stop being a thorbag.
Originally posted by abhilegend
A T-Thorbag? I thought you liked me stilt 😭😭😭😭
I went too far here. Sorry.
Praising Thor in any way makes me mad. It reminds me of bad times on KMC when we had posters who actually believed that shit.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't even remember the Zabu incident lmao. You have an impressive memory.
Well, you were talking about Ka-Zar being enhanced.
Thing is, it's not just him, both he and his pet tiger were affected by the mist.
Unless you want to say you no longer believe in the enhancement (which is debatable, as it barely gets mentioned), but then you need to accept Ka-Zar as a powerless being, too.
Can't have it both ways!
Originally posted by Booya_69
And I'm agreement with that statement. We all saw hulk spike well beyond wwh levels in an instant. I wasn't trying to say that Cain is stronger than the Hulk, but hercules is a different story. I apologize, my post wasn't clear.
But it cements abhis post. The writers back then viewed juggernaut as a big threat to the hulk and decades later writers still think that. How many times have we seen hercules on a team fight hulk and still lose? I also think your looking too much into strength feats. Juggernaut always matches up well with the heavy hitters. The thing has better strength feats than the Juggernaut, but he was swatted away like a fly when he stepped to juggs. Juggernaut walked up on thor and ***** slapped him like a red headed step child. Cain was about to snap the hulks neck right before hulks strength spiked. Hercules wouldn't fair any better imo
Lifting feats are the ultimate way to measure how strong these characters are. The Juggernaut would've likely beaten Thor if his unstoppable enchantment weren't removed from. Thor never tampered with his strength. We also saw how well Warpath and Colossus did against him. Those two aren't super heavyweights. When has Thor ever been a Batman, Daredevil, Captain America type of fighter? He's known for strength and power, not acrobatics, and Kung Fu.
Originally posted by Stoic
When has Thor ever been a Batman, Daredevil, Captain America type of fighter? He's known for strength and power, not acrobatics, and Kung Fu.
And yet that's what we see him doing... avoiding Cain's finishing strike and trying to make the most of the no-forcefield situation.
He doesn't deny Cain's words and is impressed by his stamina, confirming that Juggernaut wasn't bullshitting him (and us, the readers) earlier.
He didn't overpower him. Get that shit out of here.
No grappling, no strength testing, just a good combo AFTER realizing the danger and needing to resort to dodging.
And he still fucked everything up. Congrats, I guess...?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Only according to Beast.And let's be honest, Beast's power level can't allow him to properly assess Juggernaut's invulnerability --- especially considering how it was Hank in his original form.
Anyway, no point in discussing it now - let's stick to the topic - Stoic wanted that Thor/Juggernaut fight to prove that Thor has the strength advantage - when it doesn't prove such thing at all.
I agree. I don't think it showed thor having the strength advantage. It was meant to display thors superior fighting ability compared to cains basic brawl methods.
Originally posted by Booya_69
I agree. I don't think it showed thor having the strength advantage. It was meant to display thors superior fighting ability compared to cains basic brawl methods.
Thor is literally punched while being on the ground. He was able to take Cain's punch, Cain on the other hand was sent reeling.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And yet that's what we see him doing... avoiding Cain's finishing strike and trying to make the most of the no-forcefield situation.He doesn't deny Cain's words and is impressed by his stamina, confirming that Juggernaut wasn't bullshitting him (and us, the readers) earlier.
He didn't overpower him. Get that shit out of here.
No grappling, no strength testing, just a good combo AFTER realizing the danger and needing to resort to dodging.
And he still fucked everything up. Congrats, I guess...?
Or, Cain was unable to avoid being nearly KO'd, because Thor's first attack was great enough to stun him. The Hulk is actually more massive than the Juggernaut according to height and weight. Why can't we use that excuse when Thor has fought him? Thor is smaller than the Hulk as well. Thor's punches simply affected Cain to the point that he was unable to defend himself. But you're so convinced that Cain is actually stronger, what was his best lifting feat? Why did it take years for him to dig himself out of that temple collapse?